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I think you're making a lot of assumptions here. If you believe ethics drives you to be vegan, that's respectable, you do you, but it's not the only way to act
by dheera 4y ago
I think you're making a lot of assumptions here. If you believe ethics drives you to be vegan, that's respectable, you do you, but it's not the only way to act on ethics.
There are many, many reasons to be ethically-motivated but not go all the way to 100% veganism. Some of them include:
* Having beliefs that are more socially compatible and being able to attend a wide spectrum of social events and enjoy them with others allows one to exert greater influence on others (especially if you believe that e.g. 10 people reducing meat intake by 25% is better than 1 person reducing by 100%). There's a good chance that hard vegans don't get invited to a lot of things, and are effectively locked out of a lot of opportunities to exert influence.
* If you are pragmatic and believe the world is highly unlikely to stop eating meat altogether but can reduce meat intake to a point where peoples' appetites are satisfied but factory farming isn't necessary
* If your ethical reasons are largely carbon-motivated, in which case going 90% vegan (time-wise OR portion-wise) is scientifically, mathematically, close enough to 100% that environmental concerns become a non-issue
* If your body's physiology cannot cope with a vegan diet but can cope with a 90% vegan diet
There are lots of other reasons, and while veganism is respectable, I disagree that black-and-white thinking is the only way to approach ethics.
- hammyhavoc 4y agoI don't disagree with some of the points raised, however the point still remains: his vegetarianism is largely irrelevant to the conversation at hand. It's no more relevant than someone who designs PC cases chiming in on chip architecture whilst leaning on the fact they have something to do with computers in an abstract way, somehow giving their opinion credence. It's a misdirection to prop up this idea that lab-grown meat is wrong because it's unnatural and they're a vegetarian. Well, cancer treatments are unnatural, sterile and hygienic hospitals too, as are most things in life. Is the world better off for medical progress even though Christian Scientists et al who hold no real medical qualifications disagree? Yup. This puritanical angle is bizarre, and doesn't make the point he thinks it does, whilst giving others who aren't vegans or vegetarians a pithy soundbite of "this vegetarian wouldn't even eat this shit", which once it's been repeated a few times, very quickly becomes "vegan".
- hombre_fatal 4y agoTbh this derailment is why we shouldn’t put a whole lot of focus on the “As a black man…” of someone’s post and focus on the content. There's a subreddit that even makes fun of the "As an X, I dislike Thing Y that I'm supposed to like, now upvote me fellow Thing Y haters!" device. https://www.reddit.com/r/AsABlackMan/ https://www.reddit.com/r/AsABlackMan/