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Car is like an appliance - It has one use only to get me from point A to point B. No reason for it to be connected to internet and spy on me. No reason for upda

Car is like an appliance - It has one use only to get me from point A to point B. No reason for it to be connected to internet and spy on me. No reason for updates, my fridge does not need updates either.

zaroth 4y ago
Except fridges don’t kill 40,000 people a year. NHTSA says that improved safety technologies have saved over 600,000 lives between 1960 and 2012. Updates make the car safer for the driver, and safer for everyone they share the road with. Updating the whole fleet’s safety software as the algorithms improve would save thousands of lives and that’s enough reason to make automakers keep updates flowing after the point of sale. Of course it can and should be done without tracking or spying.
- TheLoafOfBread 4y ago
  Because Self Driving is not going to be a thing in nearest future, then mention about anyone killed because missing software update is absolutely irrelevant.
  - zaroth 4y ago
    Level 5 self driving is just the final step on the very broad spectrum of life saving driver assistance software. ADAS software is already required in all new cars sold in the US and EU. And just this week for example Tesla released an update to its AEB (Automatic Emergency Braking) software to improve its performance. https://www.nhtsa.gov/newer-cars-are-safer-cars https://www.nhtsa.gov/newer-cars-are-safer-cars https://www.teslarati.com/tesla-automatic-emergency-braking-safer-update/ https://www.teslarati.com/tesla-automatic-emergency-braking-...
    - TheLoafOfBread 4y ago
      If it is not finished, then it should not be on the road. Therefore we have Level 5 self driving or we have Level 2 assistant tools, everything in between is a timing bomb waiting to kill somebody.
      - zaroth 4y ago
        I disagree with this on two levels. First the idea of "finished" is not how technology works. Technology is constantly evolving and improving, whether we are talking about Level 2 ADAS technology, or Level 5 self driving. It will never be the case that ADAS is "finished", we will always find ways to improve performance, reliability, and comfort of these systems. Second, your claim it's a time bomb waiting to kill someone is unsubstantiated. They are not perfect technologies, but the data show they are safer than the average driver and therefore accurate to call them life-saving technology, even if they don't save every single life when they are active. The data show: the more cars that have and use this technology, the less carnage and death we see on the roads.

zaroth 4y ago

Except fridges don’t kill 40,000 people a year. NHTSA says that improved safety technologies have saved over 600,000 lives between 1960 and 2012. Updates make the car safer for the driver, and safer for everyone they share the road with. Updating the whole fleet’s safety software as the algorithms improve would save thousands of lives and that’s enough reason to make automakers keep updates flowing after the point of sale. Of course it can and should be done without tracking or spying.

TheLoafOfBread 4y ago
Because Self Driving is not going to be a thing in nearest future, then mention about anyone killed because missing software update is absolutely irrelevant.
- zaroth 4y ago
  Level 5 self driving is just the final step on the very broad spectrum of life saving driver assistance software. ADAS software is already required in all new cars sold in the US and EU. And just this week for example Tesla released an update to its AEB (Automatic Emergency Braking) software to improve its performance. https://www.nhtsa.gov/newer-cars-are-safer-cars https://www.nhtsa.gov/newer-cars-are-safer-cars https://www.teslarati.com/tesla-automatic-emergency-braking-safer-update/ https://www.teslarati.com/tesla-automatic-emergency-braking-...
  - TheLoafOfBread 4y ago
    If it is not finished, then it should not be on the road. Therefore we have Level 5 self driving or we have Level 2 assistant tools, everything in between is a timing bomb waiting to kill somebody.
    - zaroth 4y ago
      I disagree with this on two levels. First the idea of "finished" is not how technology works. Technology is constantly evolving and improving, whether we are talking about Level 2 ADAS technology, or Level 5 self driving. It will never be the case that ADAS is "finished", we will always find ways to improve performance, reliability, and comfort of these systems. Second, your claim it's a time bomb waiting to kill someone is unsubstantiated. They are not perfect technologies, but the data show they are safer than the average driver and therefore accurate to call them life-saving technology, even if they don't save every single life when they are active. The data show: the more cars that have and use this technology, the less carnage and death we see on the roads.