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> The error rate at speech recognition seems to have gone up over the years. Input recognition quality falling all over the place - it's very much noticeable w

by voytec 3y ago

> The error rate at speech recognition seems to have gone up over the years. Input recognition quality falling all over the place - it's very much noticeable with their onscreen keyboards as well. Some "intelligent" mechanisms know better which button I tried to tap and I'm getting gibberish even with auto-correct off. It's the same on iPhone and Watch. Apple has already forced me to re-learn keyboards once - with the MacBook Pro 2017 fiasco when I had to start carrying external keyboard with my "mobile" laptop. Haven't bought a MacBook since.

el_benhameen 3y ago
Their swype-style keyboard is an absolute joke—perhaps the most infuriating part of my iphone. I know that it’s easier to criticize than it is to implement, but my god, just a basic markov chain would yield more intelligible results than the shit it comes up with.
- c0m 3y ago
  Totally agree so I installed SwiftKey. It worked great for years and I’ve been super happy! Then in the last year, SwiftKey has been randomly crashing so while I type I swap between the SwiftKey and normal keyboard unwillingly several times per message. The built-in keyboard seems absolutely determined to believe that the word 'fuck' does not exist.
  - deleted 3y ago
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  - Polyphonie 3y ago
    You can easily add fuck into your dictionary: Settings>General>Keyboard >Text Replacement.
    - blululu 3y ago
      This is useful advice but, the frustration is warranted if a user needs to modify a sub-sub-sub menu to undo a default that is not even grammatically correct.
      - canadianfella 3y ago
        [dead]
  - SSLy 3y ago
    for crashing reinstall of swiftkey helped me. seems stable ever since
- mardifoufs 3y ago
  For some very odd reason, swipe keyboard technology seems to have peaked around 2014, never to reach those heights again. I remember being amazed by how great swiping was, and after using it recently (it's not really great on gboard or samsung keyboard either, not bad but just meh) I was wondering if it was just rose tinted glass. But nope, I booted up my old nexus 5 with a normal gboard (not even swiftkey!) and it was still amazing. The contrast was amazing even when I wiped typing data on both phones to make sure that it was a fair comparison. I guess the most glaring difference was the subtle, but extremely important handling of edge cases or particularly ambigious letter combinations. Even the "bad" modern google keyboard is still 95% accurate, but the difference between that and the 99% accuracy on my nexus 5 basically makes all the difference. It goes from predictive magic to having to swipe across every single letter to make sure it works.
  - georgyo 3y ago
    Very much agree!! I remember not even knowing the spelling of words but being able to swipe in the general direction of letters I thought might be correct and it inputting the correct word. Now now it seems I have to have near perfect tracing and pathing to get correct words. It's very disappointing.
  - empyrrhicist 3y ago
    Could it be related to screen size and finger mechanics?
    - mardifoufs 3y ago
      That honestly could be it! My past few galaxy phones have been narrower and taller than my old note4 (the nexus was more compact but with an aspect ratio that was more "square" ). The narrow and tall screens makes hitting keys a lot harder, now that I think about it.
    - dmonitor 3y ago
      I switched to an iphone mini and experienced a minor improvement in my typing accuracy, but it’s still pretty torturous compared to back in the day.
- footlose_3815 3y ago
  I find swiping better than screen touch-typing, but still not as good as old QWERTY.
- xp84 3y ago
  What are your talking about? You done like it converting “your” to “your” on every damn time you type the word? Note: the above paragraph was typed with swipe typing. I actually typed “Y O U” for both of the above instances of “your.” Apple swipe typing is the opposite of AI: it’s like an idiot is going behind you taking even correct words you swipe and turning them into gibberish. Don’t even get me started about its obsession with “it’s” and “we’re” to the exclusion of the words without apostrophes. Ughhhhhh
  - baseline-shift 3y ago
    I never write on an iphone, so didn't know today's ridiculous apostrophizing is an autocorrect thing - but that could explain why people sound like idiots or would that be sound like idiot's on the internet.
- xvector 3y ago
  It's honestly a complete travesty. Strongly considering ditching my iPhone for the upcoming Pixel Fold or whatever it'll be called.
  - aembleton 3y ago
    Can't you just change the keyboard on your iPhone?
    - MrGilbert 3y ago
      You can, but it's not really endorsed by Apple. As such, some folks don't even know about that. Personally, I like to use SwiftKey. //Edit: Would really like to know for what I got down voted for?
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      - ricardobeat 3y ago
        I haven’t downvoted, but might be because third-party keyboards have been officially supported for many year in iOS. Your comment gives the impression they’re some kind of hack.
        MrGilbert 3y ago
        Thank you! No, that wasn't how I intend to mean it. If I recall correctly, the implementation was very restricted when the feature first launched in 2016. And if I recall correctly, it's not a feature which Apple would mention ever again. Therefore, I have the impression that this is not a feature Apple would endorse much.
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      - TexanFeller 3y ago
Dalewyn 3y ago
The keyboards on the Apple M Macbooks are good, having used one myself... Except there's this feeling that Macbook keyboards fundamentally "work" differently to all other keyboards out there. I'm primarily a Windows wizard, I use my Macbook for specific tasks and it's not my daily driver. I can type on my Macbook mostly fine, but occasionally it misses some of my key inputs. I know the keyboard works, the key in question types in properly when I press it again, but nonetheless I have the occasional input go missing as I type. I don't know why this is the case, it annoys me, and I'm left wondering if it's the keyboard with no obvious defects or my typing which works flawlessly with literally all other keyboards I ever come across.
- Daz1 3y ago
  Sounds like user error, I don't have any such problems with my M2 keyboard.
- wincy 3y ago
  That’s interesting because I use the same keyboard with my Mac and Windows work laptop hooked up to a dock, and Windows + Teams (where I’m doing the majority of my actual typing words not code in a day) constantly has weird artifacts of switching lettering, like it’s kicking off some async process to grab keystrokes right as I open a message then flushes the buffer out of order to the application. It’s really weird and I thought it was user error at first but I’ve noticed this never happens on my Mac. Then again Teams specifically is just kind of the worst. At least they finally added the full range of emoji reacts to messages. (Still doesn’t beat Slacks custom emojis but oh well).
  - breatheoften 3y ago
    I have the same issue with slack and any facebook app frequently -- especially if you type, delete, type quickly. I think there must be some damn crdt within the draft edits feature that causes the final state not to match exactly what would be expected from the input sequence. It's very annoying because it feels like I'm being gaslit by the device -- the errant results can pop in after some delay .... "was I misreading what I saw had been typed earlier on screen??"

by voytec 3y ago

el_benhameen 3y ago

Their swype-style keyboard is an absolute joke—perhaps the most infuriating part of my iphone. I know that it’s easier to criticize than it is to implement, but my god, just a basic markov chain would yield more intelligible results than the shit it comes up with.

c0m 3y ago
Totally agree so I installed SwiftKey. It worked great for years and I’ve been super happy! Then in the last year, SwiftKey has been randomly crashing so while I type I swap between the SwiftKey and normal keyboard unwillingly several times per message. The built-in keyboard seems absolutely determined to believe that the word 'fuck' does not exist.
- deleted 3y ago
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- Polyphonie 3y ago
  You can easily add fuck into your dictionary: Settings>General>Keyboard >Text Replacement.
  - blululu 3y ago
    This is useful advice but, the frustration is warranted if a user needs to modify a sub-sub-sub menu to undo a default that is not even grammatically correct.
    - canadianfella 3y ago
      [dead]
- SSLy 3y ago
  for crashing reinstall of swiftkey helped me. seems stable ever since
mardifoufs 3y ago
For some very odd reason, swipe keyboard technology seems to have peaked around 2014, never to reach those heights again. I remember being amazed by how great swiping was, and after using it recently (it's not really great on gboard or samsung keyboard either, not bad but just meh) I was wondering if it was just rose tinted glass. But nope, I booted up my old nexus 5 with a normal gboard (not even swiftkey!) and it was still amazing. The contrast was amazing even when I wiped typing data on both phones to make sure that it was a fair comparison. I guess the most glaring difference was the subtle, but extremely important handling of edge cases or particularly ambigious letter combinations. Even the "bad" modern google keyboard is still 95% accurate, but the difference between that and the 99% accuracy on my nexus 5 basically makes all the difference. It goes from predictive magic to having to swipe across every single letter to make sure it works.
- georgyo 3y ago
  Very much agree!! I remember not even knowing the spelling of words but being able to swipe in the general direction of letters I thought might be correct and it inputting the correct word. Now now it seems I have to have near perfect tracing and pathing to get correct words. It's very disappointing.
- empyrrhicist 3y ago
  Could it be related to screen size and finger mechanics?
  - mardifoufs 3y ago
    That honestly could be it! My past few galaxy phones have been narrower and taller than my old note4 (the nexus was more compact but with an aspect ratio that was more "square" ). The narrow and tall screens makes hitting keys a lot harder, now that I think about it.
  - dmonitor 3y ago
    I switched to an iphone mini and experienced a minor improvement in my typing accuracy, but it’s still pretty torturous compared to back in the day.
footlose_3815 3y ago
I find swiping better than screen touch-typing, but still not as good as old QWERTY.
xp84 3y ago
What are your talking about? You done like it converting “your” to “your” on every damn time you type the word? Note: the above paragraph was typed with swipe typing. I actually typed “Y O U” for both of the above instances of “your.” Apple swipe typing is the opposite of AI: it’s like an idiot is going behind you taking even correct words you swipe and turning them into gibberish. Don’t even get me started about its obsession with “it’s” and “we’re” to the exclusion of the words without apostrophes. Ughhhhhh
- baseline-shift 3y ago
  I never write on an iphone, so didn't know today's ridiculous apostrophizing is an autocorrect thing - but that could explain why people sound like idiots or would that be sound like idiot's on the internet.
xvector 3y ago
It's honestly a complete travesty. Strongly considering ditching my iPhone for the upcoming Pixel Fold or whatever it'll be called.
- aembleton 3y ago
  Can't you just change the keyboard on your iPhone?
  - MrGilbert 3y ago
    You can, but it's not really endorsed by Apple. As such, some folks don't even know about that. Personally, I like to use SwiftKey. //Edit: Would really like to know for what I got down voted for?
    - deleted 3y ago
      [deleted]
    - ricardobeat 3y ago
      I haven’t downvoted, but might be because third-party keyboards have been officially supported for many year in iOS. Your comment gives the impression they’re some kind of hack.
      - MrGilbert 3y ago
        Thank you! No, that wasn't how I intend to mean it. If I recall correctly, the implementation was very restricted when the feature first launched in 2016. And if I recall correctly, it's not a feature which Apple would mention ever again. Therefore, I have the impression that this is not a feature Apple would endorse much.
        deleted 3y ago
        [deleted]
    - TexanFeller 3y ago

Dalewyn 3y ago

The keyboards on the Apple M Macbooks are good, having used one myself... Except there's this feeling that Macbook keyboards fundamentally "work" differently to all other keyboards out there. I'm primarily a Windows wizard, I use my Macbook for specific tasks and it's not my daily driver. I can type on my Macbook mostly fine, but occasionally it misses some of my key inputs. I know the keyboard works, the key in question types in properly when I press it again, but nonetheless I have the occasional input go missing as I type. I don't know why this is the case, it annoys me, and I'm left wondering if it's the keyboard with no obvious defects or my typing which works flawlessly with literally all other keyboards I ever come across.

Daz1 3y ago
Sounds like user error, I don't have any such problems with my M2 keyboard.
wincy 3y ago
That’s interesting because I use the same keyboard with my Mac and Windows work laptop hooked up to a dock, and Windows + Teams (where I’m doing the majority of my actual typing words not code in a day) constantly has weird artifacts of switching lettering, like it’s kicking off some async process to grab keystrokes right as I open a message then flushes the buffer out of order to the application. It’s really weird and I thought it was user error at first but I’ve noticed this never happens on my Mac. Then again Teams specifically is just kind of the worst. At least they finally added the full range of emoji reacts to messages. (Still doesn’t beat Slacks custom emojis but oh well).
- breatheoften 3y ago
  I have the same issue with slack and any facebook app frequently -- especially if you type, delete, type quickly. I think there must be some damn crdt within the draft edits feature that causes the final state not to match exactly what would be expected from the input sequence. It's very annoying because it feels like I'm being gaslit by the device -- the errant results can pop in after some delay .... "was I misreading what I saw had been typed earlier on screen??"