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Everyone here is thinking Europe is going to kill AI in their borders. Honestly it reminds me of how everyone derided EU antitrust as just milking Google for fi

Everyone here is thinking Europe is going to kill AI in their borders. Honestly it reminds me of how everyone derided EU antitrust as just milking Google for fines, until everyone soured on Google and realized what the EU already knew. The EU is not anti-AI. In fact, they have stronger protections for AI training than the US does: EU law already has a copyright exception for "text and data mining" (TDM) which covers AI training. The problem is that OpenAI has been incredibly cagey with the way their models get built and trained. This is kind of contrary to the spirit of the TDM exception: it's for scientists to do science with, and OpenAI is being very much not like a scientific organization and more like a commercial enterprise.

jpalomaki 4y ago
Isn't GDPR currently the main problem? There's personal information on the Internet. If you are processing crawled data, then you also end up processing the personal information, but you don't have consent for the processing from those individuals.
- Ekaros 4y ago
  Just need to prove that it doesn't store data under GDRP in models that can be extracted. After that GDPR is not an issue.
  - he0001 4y ago
    Isn’t the problem also that it has been ingested? As a user need to consent that it has been used for that purpose?
barry-cotter 4y ago
Given where the top AI companies are and how much more important they are for AI than the top universities for it this is bafflingly optimistic. There’s no reason to expect Europe to be other than an also ran in AI, punching self in face antics aside. Why would anyone think Europe was relevant to AI development?
- FuckButtons 4y ago
  You don’t seem to be getting the point of this, Europe is not attempting to hobble ai development, but enforce its laws within its borders, if openAI can’t adhere to them, then they can’t do business there, which is a problem for them, given the European Union is the 3rd largest economy in the world.
  - pipes 4y ago
    I could be wrong, but to me this is like a government demanding that trade secrets are revealed. If people are worried about open AI, they already have the option not to use it.
    - Cymrukicks 4y ago
      Sorry doesn't look like your are getting it. Its not about AI its about personal data. Whether AI is using this or any other program, EU citizens have a right to know and request removal of that personal data. Open AI need to allow users to do this same as anybody else if this reveals trade secrets then so be it.
    - davidguetta 4y ago
      "If people are worried one plane compagny doesn't respect the laws, they should not use it". "If people are worried one food compagny doesn't respect the laws, they should not use it". Yeah that's not how law and law enforcement work, AI or not.
    - ithkuil 4y ago
      And governments of people have the right to outlaw it?
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jpalomaki 4y ago

Isn't GDPR currently the main problem? There's personal information on the Internet. If you are processing crawled data, then you also end up processing the personal information, but you don't have consent for the processing from those individuals.

Ekaros 4y ago
Just need to prove that it doesn't store data under GDRP in models that can be extracted. After that GDPR is not an issue.
- he0001 4y ago
  Isn’t the problem also that it has been ingested? As a user need to consent that it has been used for that purpose?

barry-cotter 4y ago

Given where the top AI companies are and how much more important they are for AI than the top universities for it this is bafflingly optimistic. There’s no reason to expect Europe to be other than an also ran in AI, punching self in face antics aside. Why would anyone think Europe was relevant to AI development?

FuckButtons 4y ago
You don’t seem to be getting the point of this, Europe is not attempting to hobble ai development, but enforce its laws within its borders, if openAI can’t adhere to them, then they can’t do business there, which is a problem for them, given the European Union is the 3rd largest economy in the world.
- pipes 4y ago
  I could be wrong, but to me this is like a government demanding that trade secrets are revealed. If people are worried about open AI, they already have the option not to use it.
  - Cymrukicks 4y ago
    Sorry doesn't look like your are getting it. Its not about AI its about personal data. Whether AI is using this or any other program, EU citizens have a right to know and request removal of that personal data. Open AI need to allow users to do this same as anybody else if this reveals trade secrets then so be it.
  - davidguetta 4y ago
    "If people are worried one plane compagny doesn't respect the laws, they should not use it". "If people are worried one food compagny doesn't respect the laws, they should not use it". Yeah that's not how law and law enforcement work, AI or not.
  - ithkuil 4y ago
    And governments of people have the right to outlaw it?

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