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Imagine a future where everyone learns from AI instead of books because it is more convenient, faster etc. You would get the same info, but you would not know w

by mongol 3y ago

Imagine a future where everyone learns from AI instead of books because it is more convenient, faster etc. You would get the same info, but you would not know who was the expert that you learned from. How would that change society if all authors just disappeared behind a generic AI brand? I don't think it would be especially good, and I think it is completely fair that an answer from ChatGPT should provide sources. It would improve the quality.

agentgumshoe 3y ago
It is the continued progress of technology that aggregates more and more knowledge and expertise into centralised platforms and services. Nobody seems to care much, and we proceed to fulfil the destiny of our technological enslavement 'because it's going to happen anyway.'
- dorchadas 3y ago
  No, we proceed because it makes people a lot of money consequences on society or the future be dammed.
  - agentgumshoe 3y ago
    Those two things aren't mutually exclusive
esperent 3y ago
> How would that change society if all authors just disappeared behind a generic AI brand? I've been thinking about that but in terms of famous actors. Once AI can replace actors in movies, as well as singers and models like Instagram influencers and so on, maybe some of the weird hero worship and the paparazzi and the gossip mags and all that nastiness will fade away somewhat. That, I feel, would be a good thing. Pick your favorite Hollywood actor, or pop singer. A supremely talented human... Amongst thousands and thousands of supremely talented humans in their field and yet they are the ones who got lucky, had the right connections or got lucky with the right role. Then for the rest of their lives they are feted and hero worshipped as if they are more than human, while thousands of equally talented people who didn't get the lucky break are ignored. That's what being famous is, mostly, and it's not good for either the famous people or the people who worship them. Does that apply to scientists and authors? I'm not sure. But in terms of scientific breakthroughs it's extremely rare that a particular discovery could only have been made by one person. In fact, nearly every discovery, from the calculus to the theory of evolution to DNA, was concurrently discovered by multiple people. And yet we attach one name to each discovery and hero worship that person because they published a few weeks earlier or were just better at self marketing. Maybe losing the attachment of famous names to things is a good thing for society. As long as it's not replaced by a corporation pretending ownership of all the knowledge in their place, at least.
- glanzwulf 3y ago
  > Once AI can replace actors in movies, as well as singers and models like Instagram influencers and so on, maybe some of the weird hero worship and the paparazzi and the gossip mags and all that nastiness will fade away somewhat I dunno, I remember seeing on youtube Hatsune Miku concerts being pretty packed, and there was that one guy who even married Hatsune Miku. Who knows what'll happen with AI.
- agentgumshoe 3y ago
  In that case, I await the day our AI overloads decides we are not necessary at all ;) AI does not do novel things, it will only work with the information it is fed.
  - nullsense 3y ago
    >AI does not do novel things, it will only work with the information it is fed. If we had AI overlords they would be able to do novel things because they would be able to generate new information on their own.
downWidOutaFite 3y ago
AI has been trained on all human knowledge up until now but as it continues ingesting human ingenuity going forward it will remove the incentive for people to create new knowledge or styles or art since the AI can immediately mimic you and steal it. Promoting creativity is what copyright law was created for so I got a feeling we'll be revisiting those laws sooner or later.
DesiLurker 3y ago
make me wonder if somebody has trained a LLM from SciHub data. would be interesting if someone were to marry a symbolic engine like mathematica with such an LLM/AI.
- d0mine 3y ago
  Isn't there Wolfram plugin for ChatGPT?
  - DesiLurker 3y ago
    yes there is but I am not sure if its actually used to do anything past some symbolic math. IMO true AI could only happen from understanding (& internalizing) physical laws especially notion of energy optimization. I feel that the until LLMs are somehow married with this knowledge they would always be parroting back from existing 'data' in seemingly creative ways but never create something truly new of their own.
matheusmoreira 3y ago
> but you would not know who was the expert that you learned from Just ask who came up with this stuff. Learning material doesn't go over the long history of the science involved either.

by mongol 3y ago

agentgumshoe 3y ago

It is the continued progress of technology that aggregates more and more knowledge and expertise into centralised platforms and services. Nobody seems to care much, and we proceed to fulfil the destiny of our technological enslavement 'because it's going to happen anyway.'

dorchadas 3y ago
No, we proceed because it makes people a lot of money consequences on society or the future be dammed.
- agentgumshoe 3y ago
  Those two things aren't mutually exclusive

esperent 3y ago

> How would that change society if all authors just disappeared behind a generic AI brand? I've been thinking about that but in terms of famous actors. Once AI can replace actors in movies, as well as singers and models like Instagram influencers and so on, maybe some of the weird hero worship and the paparazzi and the gossip mags and all that nastiness will fade away somewhat. That, I feel, would be a good thing. Pick your favorite Hollywood actor, or pop singer. A supremely talented human... Amongst thousands and thousands of supremely talented humans in their field and yet they are the ones who got lucky, had the right connections or got lucky with the right role. Then for the rest of their lives they are feted and hero worshipped as if they are more than human, while thousands of equally talented people who didn't get the lucky break are ignored. That's what being famous is, mostly, and it's not good for either the famous people or the people who worship them. Does that apply to scientists and authors? I'm not sure. But in terms of scientific breakthroughs it's extremely rare that a particular discovery could only have been made by one person. In fact, nearly every discovery, from the calculus to the theory of evolution to DNA, was concurrently discovered by multiple people. And yet we attach one name to each discovery and hero worship that person because they published a few weeks earlier or were just better at self marketing. Maybe losing the attachment of famous names to things is a good thing for society. As long as it's not replaced by a corporation pretending ownership of all the knowledge in their place, at least.

glanzwulf 3y ago
> Once AI can replace actors in movies, as well as singers and models like Instagram influencers and so on, maybe some of the weird hero worship and the paparazzi and the gossip mags and all that nastiness will fade away somewhat I dunno, I remember seeing on youtube Hatsune Miku concerts being pretty packed, and there was that one guy who even married Hatsune Miku. Who knows what'll happen with AI.
agentgumshoe 3y ago
In that case, I await the day our AI overloads decides we are not necessary at all ;) AI does not do novel things, it will only work with the information it is fed.
- nullsense 3y ago
  >AI does not do novel things, it will only work with the information it is fed. If we had AI overlords they would be able to do novel things because they would be able to generate new information on their own.

downWidOutaFite 3y ago

AI has been trained on all human knowledge up until now but as it continues ingesting human ingenuity going forward it will remove the incentive for people to create new knowledge or styles or art since the AI can immediately mimic you and steal it. Promoting creativity is what copyright law was created for so I got a feeling we'll be revisiting those laws sooner or later.

DesiLurker 3y ago

make me wonder if somebody has trained a LLM from SciHub data. would be interesting if someone were to marry a symbolic engine like mathematica with such an LLM/AI.

d0mine 3y ago
Isn't there Wolfram plugin for ChatGPT?
- DesiLurker 3y ago
  yes there is but I am not sure if its actually used to do anything past some symbolic math. IMO true AI could only happen from understanding (& internalizing) physical laws especially notion of energy optimization. I feel that the until LLMs are somehow married with this knowledge they would always be parroting back from existing 'data' in seemingly creative ways but never create something truly new of their own.

matheusmoreira 3y ago

> but you would not know who was the expert that you learned from Just ask who came up with this stuff. Learning material doesn't go over the long history of the science involved either.