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That’s weird since all the rural house members voted against the bill. Why would they vote against it?

by adrr 4y ago

foxyv 4y ago
Because of "Robust Conversations" with grass roots representatives.
drunkpotato 4y ago
I honestly can't tell whether this is sarcastic or not. Poe's law strikes again.
- adrr 4y ago
  Biggest complaint from rural people is that the "city folks" don't understand them and pass legislation that hurts them. So it's an honest question, why did all the rural house members vote against this bill. We say it will help them but then why aren't lobbying their representatives to vote for this bill.
  - kodah 4y ago
    > Biggest complaint from rural people is that the "city folks" don't understand them and pass legislation that hurts them This is true. I don't think there's any arguing that; often city policies including things like limitless expansion have harmed rural life. Rhetoric from constituents often paints rural people living a "lifestyle", which is largely a marginal amount of people. Most people live out there because that's what they can afford. Policies that are statewide that make sense for cities often don't make sense for folks in rural areas. > We say it will help them but then why aren't lobbying their representatives to vote for this bill. I'm guessing you haven't spent time immersed in any of these issues. I am a Democrat and spent some time living in a rural area. Often Republicans pay lip service to rural people, veterans, first responders, etc but don't do anything other than serve their own (the representatives) needs and desires. I have no mercy for Republicans as a party, but I have empathy for the people they claim, and fail, to represent. This is not a complex paradigm. Now, combine my previous paragraph with this paradigm to understand the full scope of their choices in voting: - Democrats have been outright hostile to them. Hillary Clinton walked into a coal mining town, told them she was going to take their jobs, and that they were going to become coders. When concerns were voice they were trolled and turned into a meme. This is just one example of the outright contempt some Democrats have shown in the past. - Republicans on the other hand at least speak in a friendly tone to them, but hardly do anything. At times, they also harm them in their pursuit of self-gratification. Now put yourself in the shoes of someone that's a voter: Do you vote for the person that speaks and acts with contempt for you or do you vote for the person that speaks nicely and at times acts with contempt? That's why this whole thing is big to me. Democrats finally grabbed a thing that's stupidly important to rural folks and ran it to the highest extent they could. This won't undo generations of harm, but it will start a conversation, and with any luck will get some folks to flip their voting. I say this from the perspective that Democrats used to care about rural people, businesses, etc. Hell, Democrats were even the ones that stood up the VA (and subsequently abandoned fighting to maintain it).
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kodah 4y ago
Could be any one of: not understanding the issues, not caring, being corrupt. This moment in history is momentous imo. Not only did rural people, ag-tech, and open source ethos prevail, but it was Democrats that did it - not Republicans. Paying lip service to those things is now measurably not enough. That symbolizes both a change in historic Democratic attitudes, but also shows there are inroads to places where Republicans have, at least in peoples minds, ruled with an iron fist. Pop a top on a beer, pack away your culture war and divisional rhetoric, and appreciate the fact that today sensibility prevailed above all else.
typon 4y ago
Why did the US vote Trump in for President?

That’s weird since all the rural house members voted against the bill. Why would they vote against it?

by adrr 4y ago

That’s weird since all the rural house members voted against the bill. Why would they vote against it?

foxyv 4y ago

Because of "Robust Conversations" with grass roots representatives.

drunkpotato 4y ago

I honestly can't tell whether this is sarcastic or not. Poe's law strikes again.

adrr 4y ago
Biggest complaint from rural people is that the "city folks" don't understand them and pass legislation that hurts them. So it's an honest question, why did all the rural house members vote against this bill. We say it will help them but then why aren't lobbying their representatives to vote for this bill.
- kodah 4y ago
  > Biggest complaint from rural people is that the "city folks" don't understand them and pass legislation that hurts them This is true. I don't think there's any arguing that; often city policies including things like limitless expansion have harmed rural life. Rhetoric from constituents often paints rural people living a "lifestyle", which is largely a marginal amount of people. Most people live out there because that's what they can afford. Policies that are statewide that make sense for cities often don't make sense for folks in rural areas. > We say it will help them but then why aren't lobbying their representatives to vote for this bill. I'm guessing you haven't spent time immersed in any of these issues. I am a Democrat and spent some time living in a rural area. Often Republicans pay lip service to rural people, veterans, first responders, etc but don't do anything other than serve their own (the representatives) needs and desires. I have no mercy for Republicans as a party, but I have empathy for the people they claim, and fail, to represent. This is not a complex paradigm. Now, combine my previous paragraph with this paradigm to understand the full scope of their choices in voting: - Democrats have been outright hostile to them. Hillary Clinton walked into a coal mining town, told them she was going to take their jobs, and that they were going to become coders. When concerns were voice they were trolled and turned into a meme. This is just one example of the outright contempt some Democrats have shown in the past. - Republicans on the other hand at least speak in a friendly tone to them, but hardly do anything. At times, they also harm them in their pursuit of self-gratification. Now put yourself in the shoes of someone that's a voter: Do you vote for the person that speaks and acts with contempt for you or do you vote for the person that speaks nicely and at times acts with contempt? That's why this whole thing is big to me. Democrats finally grabbed a thing that's stupidly important to rural folks and ran it to the highest extent they could. This won't undo generations of harm, but it will start a conversation, and with any luck will get some folks to flip their voting. I say this from the perspective that Democrats used to care about rural people, businesses, etc. Hell, Democrats were even the ones that stood up the VA (and subsequently abandoned fighting to maintain it).

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kodah 4y ago

Could be any one of: not understanding the issues, not caring, being corrupt. This moment in history is momentous imo. Not only did rural people, ag-tech, and open source ethos prevail, but it was Democrats that did it - not Republicans. Paying lip service to those things is now measurably not enough. That symbolizes both a change in historic Democratic attitudes, but also shows there are inroads to places where Republicans have, at least in peoples minds, ruled with an iron fist. Pop a top on a beer, pack away your culture war and divisional rhetoric, and appreciate the fact that today sensibility prevailed above all else.

typon 4y ago

Why did the US vote Trump in for President?