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A diplomatic solution to a war of aggression is capitulation. I pray for peace, I understand the Ukrainian defense and nato’s proxy war.

photochemsyn 4y ago
By that argument, you'd also have to accept that Russian-speaking people in Crimea and the eastern Ukraine provinces were facing a war of aggression waged by Kyiv since the government was toppled in 2014, wouldn't you? The Russia propaganda is also that they intervened to protect the innocent and defenseless, isn't it? My own view is that the various conflicts between Russian-aligned and US-aligned groups and nations since about 2003 all across the region (Georgia, Azerbijian-Armenia, etc.) are really just a consequence of Putin's failure to sign up with Wall Street on petrodollar recycling (similar to Syria and Assad in this respect). If Russian oil money had been deposited with Wall Street since 2003, as Saudi oil money has mostly been, then US media would have treated the Russian war on Ukraine no differently then they've treated the Saudi war on Yemen - justified action against neo-Nazi militias vs. justified action against Iran-backed terrorist groups, etc. If you want more propaganda lines, Russia is just intervening in a Ukrainian civil war, just as the US intervened in a Syrian civil war. I don't think any of these media-amplified claims have much to do with true motivations, however. My views might be somewhat influenced by excessive focus on commodities, but aren't modern wars largely waged for economic control over resouces, at least as a major factor? And in such situations, is one organized crime cartel really better than another when it comes to mafia conflicts, in the absence of some obviously grotesque evil like the Holocaust?
- pixl97 4y ago
  > is one organized crime cartel really better than another when it comes to mafia conflicts, in the absence of some obviously grotesque evil like the Holocaust Do you actually pay any attention to the war crimes Russia commits?
  - nyolfen 4y ago
    did your ears perk up for the civilians in donbass getting shelled for eight years too?
    - _kbh_ 4y ago
      > did your ears perk up for the civilians in donbass getting shelled for eight years too? You mean the shelling that only exists because of a Russian started conflict with Russian soldiers?. I feel sorry for those dead civilians but I fail to see how it justifies raping Ukrainian children.
      - nyolfen 4y ago
        i meant the shelling that continued in open violation of the minsk agreement per the UN and killed hundreds of civilians. sometimes this kind of thing is called terror bombing. there are no good guys here.
        _kbh_ 4y ago
        > i meant the shelling that continued in open violation of the minsk agreement per the UN and killed hundreds of civilians. The entire invasion by Russia in 2014 was in violation of the Budapest memorandum in the first place. More have been killed by the Russians by a large margin in this one year since the war started than had been killed during the entire 2014-2021 war in Donbas. Where are your tears for them?. > there are no good guys here. Between the country defending its existence and its people from extinction being perpetuated by a force that indiscriminately targets civilians with precision weapons and sexual violence, and the invading force thats trying to perpetuate a war of conquest. There is a clear good side and bad side. There is the clearest war in a long time, it is like trying to both sides WW2.

photochemsyn 4y ago

By that argument, you'd also have to accept that Russian-speaking people in Crimea and the eastern Ukraine provinces were facing a war of aggression waged by Kyiv since the government was toppled in 2014, wouldn't you? The Russia propaganda is also that they intervened to protect the innocent and defenseless, isn't it? My own view is that the various conflicts between Russian-aligned and US-aligned groups and nations since about 2003 all across the region (Georgia, Azerbijian-Armenia, etc.) are really just a consequence of Putin's failure to sign up with Wall Street on petrodollar recycling (similar to Syria and Assad in this respect). If Russian oil money had been deposited with Wall Street since 2003, as Saudi oil money has mostly been, then US media would have treated the Russian war on Ukraine no differently then they've treated the Saudi war on Yemen - justified action against neo-Nazi militias vs. justified action against Iran-backed terrorist groups, etc. If you want more propaganda lines, Russia is just intervening in a Ukrainian civil war, just as the US intervened in a Syrian civil war. I don't think any of these media-amplified claims have much to do with true motivations, however. My views might be somewhat influenced by excessive focus on commodities, but aren't modern wars largely waged for economic control over resouces, at least as a major factor? And in such situations, is one organized crime cartel really better than another when it comes to mafia conflicts, in the absence of some obviously grotesque evil like the Holocaust?

pixl97 4y ago
> is one organized crime cartel really better than another when it comes to mafia conflicts, in the absence of some obviously grotesque evil like the Holocaust Do you actually pay any attention to the war crimes Russia commits?
- nyolfen 4y ago
  did your ears perk up for the civilians in donbass getting shelled for eight years too?
  - _kbh_ 4y ago
    > did your ears perk up for the civilians in donbass getting shelled for eight years too? You mean the shelling that only exists because of a Russian started conflict with Russian soldiers?. I feel sorry for those dead civilians but I fail to see how it justifies raping Ukrainian children.
    - nyolfen 4y ago
      i meant the shelling that continued in open violation of the minsk agreement per the UN and killed hundreds of civilians. sometimes this kind of thing is called terror bombing. there are no good guys here.
      - _kbh_ 4y ago
        > i meant the shelling that continued in open violation of the minsk agreement per the UN and killed hundreds of civilians. The entire invasion by Russia in 2014 was in violation of the Budapest memorandum in the first place. More have been killed by the Russians by a large margin in this one year since the war started than had been killed during the entire 2014-2021 war in Donbas. Where are your tears for them?. > there are no good guys here. Between the country defending its existence and its people from extinction being perpetuated by a force that indiscriminately targets civilians with precision weapons and sexual violence, and the invading force thats trying to perpetuate a war of conquest. There is a clear good side and bad side. There is the clearest war in a long time, it is like trying to both sides WW2.