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This is hilarious considering that the classical, yet irrational, fear amongst long time MacOS users is that Apple might be secretly planing an OS convergence.

This is hilarious considering that the classical, yet irrational, fear amongst long time MacOS users is that Apple might be secretly planing an OS convergence. This is usually perceived as doomsday for MacOS and have been feared by some for up to 15 years. You are basically stating the opposite while completely ignoring the actual complexity of such an hypothetical merge for codebases that forked 15 years ago. They share a kernel and some API, but on the UI side recent cross platform framework are more like a proof of concept than a production ready thing.

downWidOutaFite 3y ago
Another thing that's hilarious[1] is in the Epic lawsuit Apple wanted to define the market as big as possible while here they define it as small as possible. [1] not actually hilarious
- brookst 3y ago
  Almost like the word "market" can mean different things in different contexts. Some people define it as the place you get produce... crazy!
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lelandfe 3y ago
Catalyst, fka Marzipan, definitely did not help alleviate the concerns that Apple would prefer for the operating systems to be unified. Them pulling ill-suited features over to macOS, like the Control Center[0] and toggles, also give me pause. [0] Which lives in the menubar, lacks any keyboard accessibility, and introduced bizarre new interface behaviors, e.g. multi-step dropdowns where you click inside the dropdown to navigate back. Ugh.
coldtea 3y ago
The OSes have been the same since forever. It's just the same macOS kernel, filesystem, and basic userland with different UI and a few different core libs (given the different form factor and hardware features needed to hook to). Most of the same people that fear the convergence also ask for "iPadOS" and "iOS" to be more like the Mac (add mouse support, multitask like the Mac, and so on). So what they do fear is the mythical "dumbing down" of Mac, as in the outcry when Logic got a different skin, and everybody losts their minds as if it's now "just Garageband Pro" (meanwhile it has never been more powerful). Same for FCP (where a few features were lost due to the rewrite, not for any dumbing down).
vlovich123 3y ago
I mean convergence was a 100% goal internally when I worked at Apple 8 years ago. afaict they’ve been gradually bringing the experiences and software stacks closer and closer together and they’ve been locking down MacOS more and more. Not sure why you see it as an irrational fear. What timeline are they actually working under / how are they prioritizing that convergence? I don’t know but it’s clear it will happen. I’m sure there’s a lot of unification going on of background services (radio stacks, security hardening, etc) in addition to more visible UI pieces.

downWidOutaFite 3y ago

Another thing that's hilarious[1] is in the Epic lawsuit Apple wanted to define the market as big as possible while here they define it as small as possible. [1] not actually hilarious

brookst 3y ago
Almost like the word "market" can mean different things in different contexts. Some people define it as the place you get produce... crazy!
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lelandfe 3y ago

Catalyst, fka Marzipan, definitely did not help alleviate the concerns that Apple would prefer for the operating systems to be unified. Them pulling ill-suited features over to macOS, like the Control Center[0] and toggles, also give me pause. [0] Which lives in the menubar, lacks any keyboard accessibility, and introduced bizarre new interface behaviors, e.g. multi-step dropdowns where you click inside the dropdown to navigate back. Ugh.

coldtea 3y ago

The OSes have been the same since forever. It's just the same macOS kernel, filesystem, and basic userland with different UI and a few different core libs (given the different form factor and hardware features needed to hook to). Most of the same people that fear the convergence also ask for "iPadOS" and "iOS" to be more like the Mac (add mouse support, multitask like the Mac, and so on). So what they do fear is the mythical "dumbing down" of Mac, as in the outcry when Logic got a different skin, and everybody losts their minds as if it's now "just Garageband Pro" (meanwhile it has never been more powerful). Same for FCP (where a few features were lost due to the rewrite, not for any dumbing down).

vlovich123 3y ago

I mean convergence was a 100% goal internally when I worked at Apple 8 years ago. afaict they’ve been gradually bringing the experiences and software stacks closer and closer together and they’ve been locking down MacOS more and more. Not sure why you see it as an irrational fear. What timeline are they actually working under / how are they prioritizing that convergence? I don’t know but it’s clear it will happen. I’m sure there’s a lot of unification going on of background services (radio stacks, security hardening, etc) in addition to more visible UI pieces.