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Updated: This used to be a long thread about two people arguing about nothing over the internet and wasting an hour and nothing gained. Very productive.

operatingthetan 3y ago
>is that it totally overlooks all the other companies just dropping all their stuff in the ocean. You're criticizing the article for not participating in whataboutism?
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  - operatingthetan 3y ago
    Same difference, I saw your deleted comment where you said "yes" as well, and your sentiment is the same. Accountability has to start somewhere. For clarity they edited that line after I quoted it.
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      - operatingthetan 3y ago
        > How about the war happening and all the people getting killed and all the environmental and social impact happening there. Wow, you are literally doing it again. It's a fallacy because the topic of the article *is* space x, you're just interested in dismissing it for whatever reason. If you want to talk about the impact of the war, find an article about the war to do it on. For clarity here: what·a·bout·ism noun the technique or practice of responding to an accusation or difficult question by making a counteraccusation or raising a different issue. We should hold commenters here to a higher standard than this.
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operatingthetan 3y ago
Not very cool to delete your comments. If you can’t handle discussion don’t respond.
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- WestCoastJustin 3y ago
  Honestly, just saving people time in reading this thread. The article seems like a hit piece and I attempted to call that out. I tried to zoom out and look at the bigger picture by saying SpaceX is actually a big improvement over other companies in terms of environmental impact in that they are reusable (vs literally everyone else putting the first stage in the ocean). You said that was whataboutism. Then, I attempted to zoom out again by saying there are bigger environmental impacts outside the aerospace sector (like all the war and all the lives wasted there). Then you said that was whataboutism again and that I shot too low with my comments. Just seemed like a waste of time, probably for both of us, and provides zero value to anyone else. I wish I hadn't even read this post of attempted to comment on it. You probably see this totally different than me. That's the funny thing about all this. For what it's worth, I guess you're right in that this is a whataboutism. You could take this line of thinking to the extreme, do I not cut my grass, in that I might kill some ants? Like, it needs to be cut. We need to get to space and there is going to be some costs. So, yeah, they killed some birds, a bobcat, and burnt some grass. It's worth it. Until now, I didn't realize my algorithm for caring about stuff was to prioritize my outrage via whataboutisms. Hopefully, we can agree to disagree. Wish you well.

operatingthetan 3y ago

>is that it totally overlooks all the other companies just dropping all their stuff in the ocean. You're criticizing the article for not participating in whataboutism?

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WestCoastJustin 3y ago
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- operatingthetan 3y ago
  Same difference, I saw your deleted comment where you said "yes" as well, and your sentiment is the same. Accountability has to start somewhere. For clarity they edited that line after I quoted it.
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    - operatingthetan 3y ago
      > How about the war happening and all the people getting killed and all the environmental and social impact happening there. Wow, you are literally doing it again. It's a fallacy because the topic of the article *is* space x, you're just interested in dismissing it for whatever reason. If you want to talk about the impact of the war, find an article about the war to do it on. For clarity here: what·a·bout·ism noun the technique or practice of responding to an accusation or difficult question by making a counteraccusation or raising a different issue. We should hold commenters here to a higher standard than this.
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operatingthetan 3y ago

Not very cool to delete your comments. If you can’t handle discussion don’t respond.

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WestCoastJustin 3y ago
Honestly, just saving people time in reading this thread. The article seems like a hit piece and I attempted to call that out. I tried to zoom out and look at the bigger picture by saying SpaceX is actually a big improvement over other companies in terms of environmental impact in that they are reusable (vs literally everyone else putting the first stage in the ocean). You said that was whataboutism. Then, I attempted to zoom out again by saying there are bigger environmental impacts outside the aerospace sector (like all the war and all the lives wasted there). Then you said that was whataboutism again and that I shot too low with my comments. Just seemed like a waste of time, probably for both of us, and provides zero value to anyone else. I wish I hadn't even read this post of attempted to comment on it. You probably see this totally different than me. That's the funny thing about all this. For what it's worth, I guess you're right in that this is a whataboutism. You could take this line of thinking to the extreme, do I not cut my grass, in that I might kill some ants? Like, it needs to be cut. We need to get to space and there is going to be some costs. So, yeah, they killed some birds, a bobcat, and burnt some grass. It's worth it. Until now, I didn't realize my algorithm for caring about stuff was to prioritize my outrage via whataboutisms. Hopefully, we can agree to disagree. Wish you well.