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“Bach” is a word like any other, and unambiguous in English pronunciation.

lostlogin 4y ago
> Bach” is a word like any other, and unambiguous in English pronunciation. There is another pronunciation if you want a holiday in New Zealand. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bach_(New_Zealand) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bach_(New_Zealand)
- bitwize 4y ago
  Reminds me of the doublewide that served as a motel suite I stayed at in Australia. It was dirt cheap and better than you might think -- very cozy.
cubefox 4y ago
There is no "English" here, it's a name of a concrete person which has only one correct pronunciation. https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/fb/De-Bach.ogg https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/fb/De-Bach....
- tsimionescu 4y ago
  That is completely wrong. People have many names in practice, especially historical persons. Even living people often present themselves differently in different languages. For some examples: - the famous Romanian/French modern sculptor Constantin Brîncuși (which uses a vowel that has no direct correspondent in either French or most dialects of English, and it pallatelizes the ending sh, so that it's pronounced in two syllables, brîn-cush with a slightly pronounced ee at the end), but also Brancusi (in French, roughly bran-cu-see). - in Japanese, since Japanese speakers have relatively few syllables they are familiar with, almost all foreign names are expected to be Japanized; for example, if your name is "Stephen", you would be expected to present yourself as, roughly, "su-tee-ve-n", and write your name with the corresponding katakana characters in certain official documents
- thaumasiotes 4y ago
  > it's a name of a concrete person which has only one correct pronunciation. This is an insane standard. The [x] at the end of the German word doesn't exist in English; most English speakers wouldn't be able to pronounce it if they wanted to. When the demands you're making are literally impossible, the problem is you.
  - cubefox 4y ago
    So just because the "th" sound doesn't exist in many languages, like German, they should pronounce "Heath Ledger" or "Anthony Hopkins" or "The Beatles" incorrectly? That seems to me a way more "insane" standard. By the way, the Scottish are perfectly able to pronounce "Loch Ness", which has the same sound for "ch" as "Bach".
    - thaumasiotes 4y ago
      > So just because the "th" sound doesn't exist in many languages, like German, they should pronounce "Heath Ledger" or "Anthony Hopkins" or "The Beatles" incorrectly? They're going to use the sounds that exist for them, yes. > That seems to me a way more "insane" standard. I hope you never get to make any decisions. Dave Barry once wrote about someone thinking "What an idiot I am! Here I am, a Japanese person, in Japan, and I can't even speak English!" But then again, Dave Barry was joking. > By the way, the Scottish are perfectly able to pronounce "Loch Ness" The population of Scotland is 5 million; if you want to talk about "most English speakers", the Scottish aren't even worth noticing.
      - cubefox 4y ago
        > > So just because the "th" sound doesn't exist in many languages, like German, they should pronounce "Heath Ledger" or "Anthony Hopkins" or "The Beatles" incorrectly? > They're going to use the sounds that exist for them, yes. That wasn't the question I asked. They will at least try to pronounce "Heath Ledger" or "Chopin" correctly, they won't act as if there was a correct German way to pronounce those names.
    - rahoulb 4y ago
- khazhoux 4y ago
  The accurate pronunciation in German is irrelevant. Siri is always constrained to one language (Settings > General > Language & Region), and when set to English you get English pronunciations. Same way Siri understands the english “Los Angeles” even though the G sound is completely different from Spanish. The english IPA for Bach is straightforward.
  - cubefox 4y ago
    So how would you have to pronounce "Chopin" in "English"? This doesn't make sense. There aren't even consistent pronunciation rules for many genuine English words, like "ead" in "read" and "thread". It's not even straightforward for English speakers to correctly pronounce "Eliezer Yudkowsky". Which means it's even harder for Siri.
  - dividedbyzero 4y ago
    Lots of Americans seem to try to pronounce Bach the composer "correctly", which leads to batch, bash, buck, ... which is fine, the German hard "ch" is very hard to form for English throats, and it's always better and more polite to at least try than to simply pretend foreign words and names are just weirdly spelled English ones, but it's not as straightforward as with a John Bach from Ohio.
  - yakubin 4y ago
    > Siri is always constrained to one language Not only Siri — the whole iOS. You can’t type a sentence switching languages in the middle, without changing the keyboard language all the time, if you have autocorrect enabled. It will change what you type into utter gibberish, even though without the “correcting” what you type is perfectly correct. This system is quite visibly designed by people who speak only one language and don’t understand that people may want to use multiple languages at the same time. The keyboard should support a mix of languages, instead of making a XOR between languages, because otherwise when it starts, it’s almost always in the wrong mode, and if it isn’t, it will almost certainly be wrong by the end of what I write.
  - nicky0 4y ago
    You’re talking as if there is an anccepted standard English pronunciation of Bach. The only one I know is the German one which I would use when speaking English. Perhaps I would soften the ending.
- soperj 4y ago
  I've had multiple teachers teach me different languages (other than english), not one called me by my english pronunciation. It seems that it's just people who speak English that try to do this.
- CodeCompost 4y ago
  Cumberbach
zwilliamson 4y ago
Do you have to say Johan Sebastian Bach. Siri will work with that
- deleted 4y ago
  [deleted]

> Bach” is a word like any other, and unambiguous in English pronunciation. There is another pronunciation if you want a holiday in New Zealand. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bach_(New_Zealand) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bach_(New_Zealand)

bitwize 4y ago
Reminds me of the doublewide that served as a motel suite I stayed at in Australia. It was dirt cheap and better than you might think -- very cozy.

cubefox 4y ago

There is no "English" here, it's a name of a concrete person which has only one correct pronunciation. https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/fb/De-Bach.ogg https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/fb/De-Bach....

tsimionescu 4y ago
That is completely wrong. People have many names in practice, especially historical persons. Even living people often present themselves differently in different languages. For some examples: - the famous Romanian/French modern sculptor Constantin Brîncuși (which uses a vowel that has no direct correspondent in either French or most dialects of English, and it pallatelizes the ending sh, so that it's pronounced in two syllables, brîn-cush with a slightly pronounced ee at the end), but also Brancusi (in French, roughly bran-cu-see). - in Japanese, since Japanese speakers have relatively few syllables they are familiar with, almost all foreign names are expected to be Japanized; for example, if your name is "Stephen", you would be expected to present yourself as, roughly, "su-tee-ve-n", and write your name with the corresponding katakana characters in certain official documents
thaumasiotes 4y ago
> it's a name of a concrete person which has only one correct pronunciation. This is an insane standard. The [x] at the end of the German word doesn't exist in English; most English speakers wouldn't be able to pronounce it if they wanted to. When the demands you're making are literally impossible, the problem is you.
- cubefox 4y ago
  So just because the "th" sound doesn't exist in many languages, like German, they should pronounce "Heath Ledger" or "Anthony Hopkins" or "The Beatles" incorrectly? That seems to me a way more "insane" standard. By the way, the Scottish are perfectly able to pronounce "Loch Ness", which has the same sound for "ch" as "Bach".
  - thaumasiotes 4y ago
    > So just because the "th" sound doesn't exist in many languages, like German, they should pronounce "Heath Ledger" or "Anthony Hopkins" or "The Beatles" incorrectly? They're going to use the sounds that exist for them, yes. > That seems to me a way more "insane" standard. I hope you never get to make any decisions. Dave Barry once wrote about someone thinking "What an idiot I am! Here I am, a Japanese person, in Japan, and I can't even speak English!" But then again, Dave Barry was joking. > By the way, the Scottish are perfectly able to pronounce "Loch Ness" The population of Scotland is 5 million; if you want to talk about "most English speakers", the Scottish aren't even worth noticing.
    - cubefox 4y ago
      > > So just because the "th" sound doesn't exist in many languages, like German, they should pronounce "Heath Ledger" or "Anthony Hopkins" or "The Beatles" incorrectly? > They're going to use the sounds that exist for them, yes. That wasn't the question I asked. They will at least try to pronounce "Heath Ledger" or "Chopin" correctly, they won't act as if there was a correct German way to pronounce those names.
  - rahoulb 4y ago
khazhoux 4y ago
The accurate pronunciation in German is irrelevant. Siri is always constrained to one language (Settings > General > Language & Region), and when set to English you get English pronunciations. Same way Siri understands the english “Los Angeles” even though the G sound is completely different from Spanish. The english IPA for Bach is straightforward.
- cubefox 4y ago
  So how would you have to pronounce "Chopin" in "English"? This doesn't make sense. There aren't even consistent pronunciation rules for many genuine English words, like "ead" in "read" and "thread". It's not even straightforward for English speakers to correctly pronounce "Eliezer Yudkowsky". Which means it's even harder for Siri.
- dividedbyzero 4y ago
  Lots of Americans seem to try to pronounce Bach the composer "correctly", which leads to batch, bash, buck, ... which is fine, the German hard "ch" is very hard to form for English throats, and it's always better and more polite to at least try than to simply pretend foreign words and names are just weirdly spelled English ones, but it's not as straightforward as with a John Bach from Ohio.
- yakubin 4y ago
  > Siri is always constrained to one language Not only Siri — the whole iOS. You can’t type a sentence switching languages in the middle, without changing the keyboard language all the time, if you have autocorrect enabled. It will change what you type into utter gibberish, even though without the “correcting” what you type is perfectly correct. This system is quite visibly designed by people who speak only one language and don’t understand that people may want to use multiple languages at the same time. The keyboard should support a mix of languages, instead of making a XOR between languages, because otherwise when it starts, it’s almost always in the wrong mode, and if it isn’t, it will almost certainly be wrong by the end of what I write.
- nicky0 4y ago
  You’re talking as if there is an anccepted standard English pronunciation of Bach. The only one I know is the German one which I would use when speaking English. Perhaps I would soften the ending.
soperj 4y ago
I've had multiple teachers teach me different languages (other than english), not one called me by my english pronunciation. It seems that it's just people who speak English that try to do this.
CodeCompost 4y ago
Cumberbach

zwilliamson 4y ago

Do you have to say Johan Sebastian Bach. Siri will work with that

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