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Had the same experience at a friends house trying to get Alexa to play Bach. I gave up after a half dozen attempts. These products are just hilariously bad.
by dxhdr 3y ago
Had the same experience at a friends house trying to get Alexa to play Bach. I gave up after a half dozen attempts.
These products are just hilariously bad.
- cubefox 3y agoNames are a hard problem though. How would it know how "Bach" is pronounced? It seems you would need pretty advanced multimodal AI, some sort of GPT which is trained both on text and audio.
- dxhdr 3y agoThat's kind of my point, it's a product that doesn't work. It's a language interface that can't understand language. FWIW I tried many alternatives like "Bach classical music" etc to no avail.
- dividedbyzero 3y agoHow do you pronounce Bach?
- khazhoux 3y ago“Bach” is a word like any other, and unambiguous in English pronunciation.
- lostlogin 3y ago> Bach” is a word like any other, and unambiguous in English pronunciation. There is another pronunciation if you want a holiday in New Zealand. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bach_(New_Zealand) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bach_(New_Zealand)
- bitwize 3y agoReminds me of the doublewide that served as a motel suite I stayed at in Australia. It was dirt cheap and better than you might think -- very cozy.
- cubefox 3y agoThere is no "English" here, it's a name of a concrete person which has only one correct pronunciation. https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/fb/De-Bach.ogg https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/fb/De-Bach....
- tsimionescu 3y agoThat is completely wrong. People have many names in practice, especially historical persons. Even living people often present themselves differently in different languages. For some examples: - the famous Romanian/French modern sculptor Constantin Brîncuși (which uses a vowel that has no direct correspondent in either French or most dialects of English, and it pallatelizes the ending sh, so that it's pronounced in two syllables, brîn-cush with a slightly pronounced ee at the end), but also Brancusi (in French, roughly bran-cu-see). - in Japanese, since Japanese speakers have relatively few syllables they are familiar with, almost all foreign names are expected to be Japanized; for example, if your name is "Stephen", you would be expected to present yourself as, roughly, "su-tee-ve-n", and write your name with the corresponding katakana characters in certain official documents
- thaumasiotes 3y ago> it's a name of a concrete person which has only one correct pronunciation. This is an insane standard. The [x] at the end of the German word doesn't exist in English; most English speakers wouldn't be able to pronounce it if they wanted to. When the demands you're making are literally impossible, the problem is you.
- cubefox 3y agoSo just because the "th" sound doesn't exist in many languages, like German, they should pronounce "Heath Ledger" or "Anthony Hopkins" or "The Beatles" incorrectly? That seems to me a way more "insane" standard. By the way, the Scottish are perfectly able to pronounce "Loch Ness", which has the same sound for "ch" as "Bach".
- thaumasiotes 3y ago
- zwilliamson 3y agoDo you have to say Johan Sebastian Bach. Siri will work with that
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- BoorishBears 3y agoGPT doesn't need to know, I told it to convert possible mistranscribed text to commands, "Play me some back" => "Play me some Bach"
- nicky0 3y agoYes, GPT is particularly good understanding, even when you misspell things. It would make a good front-end interface to something like Siri. take the human input and make it something that makes sense to the dumb computer.
- cubefox 3y agoYes, but large language models are very compute intensive and require a ton of RAM. So they wouldn't be able to run locally (this is currently possible with Siri), would be relatively expensive and possibly slow. So they might still be a while off.
- inferiorhuman 3y agoThe problem I've had with Siri and music has nothing* to do with parsing individual words. What I've found recently is that if you don't give an exact match Apple just puts in random shit. Hey Siri play the album Rubber Soul by the Beatles on Apple Music gets me random songs by the Beatles because apparently I have Rubber Soul named "Rubber Soul [some edition info]". Hey Siri play songs by the band Duran Duran literally just plays the eponymous album because reasons. You don't need AI, machine learning, GPT, LLM, or whatever fucking buzzword is all the rage, you simply need to revert to behavior that was standard in iOS 15 and earlier. The upgrade to iOS 16 completely nerfed Siri on my phone, starting with some mandatory trial subscription bullshit. It's to the point where I've given up trying to use Siri while driving. * Almost nothing. I still have to say "play underground eight zero s on soma fm" because reasons.
- cubefox 3y agoYeah, some others also had the impression that it got worse over time in some aspects. I wonder whether this was some kind of tradeoff with other abilities. Or perhaps they rewrote the code, which had unintended side effects.
- khazhoux 3y agoIt's one of those products that makes me think: "Do the eng directors in charge of it even use this thing??"
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