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Microsoft: Windows 10 22H2 is the final version of Windows 10

32 points by nazgulsenpai 3y ago

ridgered4 3y ago
> It will reach its end of servicing in May 2024 (Home, Pro, Pro Education, and Pro for Workstations editions) and in May 2025 (Enterprise, Education, and IoT Enterprise editions). So much for the 2025 end date I kept hearing. Only applies to the versions few people have.
- nitrammm 3y ago
  Enterprise edition is only used by few people?
  - themoonisachees 3y ago
    Win 10 enterprise edition is not win 10 pro. Enterprise edition keys are used by people who need their software to have actual guarantees, like defense and aerospace.
    - hrrsn 3y ago
      Or, you know, most enterprises.
      - idrathernotsay 3y ago
        Also people who want as much of the bloat and cruft cut out as humanly possible. I've been using W10 LTSC for years now as a daily driver, runs all of my games and apps no problem.
        xeromal 3y ago
        I had a hard time snagging a copy of that.
      - mulletbum 3y ago
        Nah, that isn't true. Most people are using Pro. Enterprise is a significantly greater cost and most smaller enterprises don't use it to save money.
        hrrsn 3y ago
        You're limited to 300 users on Microsoft 365 Business Premium, anyone over this limit will be on Microsoft 365 Enterprise, which includes an Windows Enterprise license.
        mulletbum 3y ago
        You can still just buy licensing not on subscription.
    - Spooky23 3y ago
      Lol no. You get a few different features and entitlements.
- wolrah 3y ago
  > So much for the 2025 end date I kept hearing. Only applies to the versions few people have. All the Microsoft articles linked show the October 2025 date. I have no idea where the article is getting those dates from.
yrro 3y ago
Born: 29 July 2015 Died: May 2024^W^WOct 2025 Not a bad run!
- Sohcahtoa82 3y ago
  Amazing how much time flies. I think, Win10 isn't THAT old, is it? Then I see it's been out almost 9 years. Running Win10 today is like running Win95 in 2004, 6 years after Win98, 3 years after XP.
  - pooper 3y ago
    > Running Win10 today is like running Win95 in 2004, 6 years after Win98, 3 years after XP. Maybe I have just gotten old(er) but I remember being excited about Windows XP. I had an Pentium 4 computer with 128 MB of memory and a 40 GB hard disk. I was very excited to put Windows XP on that machine. I got on Windows XP as quickly as I could but I am not so enthusiastic about Windows 11. To compare, the current desktop version of Fedora Linux that came out a few weeks ago runs just fine on an old dell optiplex with i3-2100 processor and 4 GB memory. I have a 1 TB Samsung Evo 860 SSD on it but that's besides the point :) Gnome works just fine with 4 GB memory.
  - mustacheemperor 3y ago
    That was a bit wacky for me to realize too, but on the other hand, windows 10 was marketed as the last windows, the eternal windows, updates forever and no new versions. So I think I had the expectation from the outset that I’d be using it a while.
  - hasbot 3y ago
    Version changes were significant back then and upgrades were very worthwhile. As one would hope, everything is far more stable now.
hasbot 3y ago
I have one computer on Windows 10 and one on Windows 11 and see no operational difference. The Windows 10 desktop runs fine and cannot be upgraded to Windows 11 so it's a bit concerning that monthly security updates will end on October 14, 2025.
connordoner 3y ago
I’m sure that they said Windows 10 would be the last version of Windows…?
- stby 3y ago
  I don't know why everbody keeps bringing this up. They could have called Windows 11 Windows 10 Gold Edition or whatever to keep the "10" in the name, but frankly we should all be thankful that they didn't.
  - connordoner 3y ago
    I agree with you there. That said, I don’t see why we couldn’t just keep having versions of Windows 10…
- WorldMaker 3y ago
  They also at one point said that Windows 10 would be security supported for the lifetime of devices bought with or migrated to Windows 10. My current desktop was bought with Windows 10 and my current Windows tablet was migrated from Windows 8 and neither has a processor recent enough to support Windows 11 according to Windows Update, I've not been in a hurry to replace or upgrade either device (known on wood) so "2 years left of security support" seems like a bad joke right now. The lovely world of artificial obsolescence.
  - mulletbum 3y ago
    I don't understand how that is artificial obsolescence. Micrsoft does not want to continue to pay for the programming talent to keep Win10 going. They have set a date to stop doing it. You are welcome to use those computers till they die, you can even use them with Win10. Your computers will just not be patched and secure. Even more so, if you want them patched and secure, you can move to Linux. Nothing about Windows stops the hardware from working with another operating system. Artificial obsolescence is when an Apple Device stops being patched and they put weird battery hacks in that confuse users into buying new devices.
tracker1 3y ago
I'm not joking, but will 2025 finally be the year of Desktop Linux? Given the advances in Steam/Proton along with PopOS and Linux UI support in general and that most people have moved on from being tethered to most applications outside the browser... It seems like it could be a good time for many to make such a switch.
- pjmlp 3y ago
  Just like it was during Windows XP, Vista, 7, 8, 8.1, 10, 11. Every time a new release came out, it was going to be the one that finally would trigger the exodus towards Linux. Yet the best Valve can do is "emulate" Windows, because not even the studios that target Android with NDK bother with GNU/Linux.
  - Sohcahtoa82 3y ago
    It's foolish to think that anything Microsoft does will trigger an exodus towards Linux. Your typical non-technical user, if they decide they're fed up with the latest version of Windows adding more spyware/adware, is more likely to switch to a Mac than to Linux.
    - listenallyall 3y ago
      your typical non-technical user is totally unaware of any spyware and probably likes the ads, assuming they point to games, weather apps, and celebrity news sites
    - yarg 3y ago
      Your typical non-technical user still has zero interest in paying Apple prices.
      - Sohcahtoa82 3y ago
        iPhone, iPad, and MacBook sales would indicate otherwise.
haunter 3y ago
>Windows 10 LTSC editions will reach the end of mainstream support in January 2027, with the only exception being the IoT Enterprise edition which will be supported until January 2032. Well I'll wait until the first LTSC version Windows 11 is out (probably ~next year) and I upgrade then
nly 3y ago
Until they inevitably push out an update making W10 a giant advert for W11?
listenallyall 3y ago
Windows 11 still reports itself as Microsoft Windows [Version 10.0.xxx.xxx] in a terminal window
- rwmj 3y ago
  And inside the registry. The apparently correct way to distinguish them is using the build ID: https://github.com/libguestfs/libguestfs/commit/824c7457489366494f0f10fd3369dc30f3a3c360 https://github.com/libguestfs/libguestfs/commit/824c74574893...
hammon 3y ago
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32 points by nazgulsenpai 3y ago

> It will reach its end of servicing in May 2024 (Home, Pro, Pro Education, and Pro for Workstations editions) and in May 2025 (Enterprise, Education, and IoT Enterprise editions). So much for the 2025 end date I kept hearing. Only applies to the versions few people have.

nitrammm 3y ago
Enterprise edition is only used by few people?
- themoonisachees 3y ago
  Win 10 enterprise edition is not win 10 pro. Enterprise edition keys are used by people who need their software to have actual guarantees, like defense and aerospace.
  - hrrsn 3y ago
    Or, you know, most enterprises.
    - idrathernotsay 3y ago
      Also people who want as much of the bloat and cruft cut out as humanly possible. I've been using W10 LTSC for years now as a daily driver, runs all of my games and apps no problem.
      - xeromal 3y ago
        I had a hard time snagging a copy of that.
    - mulletbum 3y ago
      Nah, that isn't true. Most people are using Pro. Enterprise is a significantly greater cost and most smaller enterprises don't use it to save money.
      - hrrsn 3y ago
        You're limited to 300 users on Microsoft 365 Business Premium, anyone over this limit will be on Microsoft 365 Enterprise, which includes an Windows Enterprise license.
        mulletbum 3y ago
        You can still just buy licensing not on subscription.
  - Spooky23 3y ago
    Lol no. You get a few different features and entitlements.
wolrah 3y ago
> So much for the 2025 end date I kept hearing. Only applies to the versions few people have. All the Microsoft articles linked show the October 2025 date. I have no idea where the article is getting those dates from.

yrro 3y ago

Born: 29 July 2015 Died: May 2024^W^WOct 2025 Not a bad run!

Sohcahtoa82 3y ago
Amazing how much time flies. I think, Win10 isn't THAT old, is it? Then I see it's been out almost 9 years. Running Win10 today is like running Win95 in 2004, 6 years after Win98, 3 years after XP.
- pooper 3y ago
  > Running Win10 today is like running Win95 in 2004, 6 years after Win98, 3 years after XP. Maybe I have just gotten old(er) but I remember being excited about Windows XP. I had an Pentium 4 computer with 128 MB of memory and a 40 GB hard disk. I was very excited to put Windows XP on that machine. I got on Windows XP as quickly as I could but I am not so enthusiastic about Windows 11. To compare, the current desktop version of Fedora Linux that came out a few weeks ago runs just fine on an old dell optiplex with i3-2100 processor and 4 GB memory. I have a 1 TB Samsung Evo 860 SSD on it but that's besides the point :) Gnome works just fine with 4 GB memory.
- mustacheemperor 3y ago
  That was a bit wacky for me to realize too, but on the other hand, windows 10 was marketed as the last windows, the eternal windows, updates forever and no new versions. So I think I had the expectation from the outset that I’d be using it a while.
- hasbot 3y ago
  Version changes were significant back then and upgrades were very worthwhile. As one would hope, everything is far more stable now.

hasbot 3y ago

I have one computer on Windows 10 and one on Windows 11 and see no operational difference. The Windows 10 desktop runs fine and cannot be upgraded to Windows 11 so it's a bit concerning that monthly security updates will end on October 14, 2025.

connordoner 3y ago

I’m sure that they said Windows 10 would be the last version of Windows…?

stby 3y ago
I don't know why everbody keeps bringing this up. They could have called Windows 11 Windows 10 Gold Edition or whatever to keep the "10" in the name, but frankly we should all be thankful that they didn't.
- connordoner 3y ago
  I agree with you there. That said, I don’t see why we couldn’t just keep having versions of Windows 10…
WorldMaker 3y ago
They also at one point said that Windows 10 would be security supported for the lifetime of devices bought with or migrated to Windows 10. My current desktop was bought with Windows 10 and my current Windows tablet was migrated from Windows 8 and neither has a processor recent enough to support Windows 11 according to Windows Update, I've not been in a hurry to replace or upgrade either device (known on wood) so "2 years left of security support" seems like a bad joke right now. The lovely world of artificial obsolescence.
- mulletbum 3y ago
  I don't understand how that is artificial obsolescence. Micrsoft does not want to continue to pay for the programming talent to keep Win10 going. They have set a date to stop doing it. You are welcome to use those computers till they die, you can even use them with Win10. Your computers will just not be patched and secure. Even more so, if you want them patched and secure, you can move to Linux. Nothing about Windows stops the hardware from working with another operating system. Artificial obsolescence is when an Apple Device stops being patched and they put weird battery hacks in that confuse users into buying new devices.

tracker1 3y ago

I'm not joking, but will 2025 finally be the year of Desktop Linux? Given the advances in Steam/Proton along with PopOS and Linux UI support in general and that most people have moved on from being tethered to most applications outside the browser... It seems like it could be a good time for many to make such a switch.

pjmlp 3y ago
Just like it was during Windows XP, Vista, 7, 8, 8.1, 10, 11. Every time a new release came out, it was going to be the one that finally would trigger the exodus towards Linux. Yet the best Valve can do is "emulate" Windows, because not even the studios that target Android with NDK bother with GNU/Linux.
- Sohcahtoa82 3y ago
  It's foolish to think that anything Microsoft does will trigger an exodus towards Linux. Your typical non-technical user, if they decide they're fed up with the latest version of Windows adding more spyware/adware, is more likely to switch to a Mac than to Linux.
  - listenallyall 3y ago
    your typical non-technical user is totally unaware of any spyware and probably likes the ads, assuming they point to games, weather apps, and celebrity news sites
  - yarg 3y ago
    Your typical non-technical user still has zero interest in paying Apple prices.
    - Sohcahtoa82 3y ago
      iPhone, iPad, and MacBook sales would indicate otherwise.

haunter 3y ago

>Windows 10 LTSC editions will reach the end of mainstream support in January 2027, with the only exception being the IoT Enterprise edition which will be supported until January 2032. Well I'll wait until the first LTSC version Windows 11 is out (probably ~next year) and I upgrade then

nly 3y ago

Until they inevitably push out an update making W10 a giant advert for W11?

listenallyall 3y ago

Windows 11 still reports itself as Microsoft Windows [Version 10.0.xxx.xxx] in a terminal window

rwmj 3y ago
And inside the registry. The apparently correct way to distinguish them is using the build ID: https://github.com/libguestfs/libguestfs/commit/824c7457489366494f0f10fd3369dc30f3a3c360 https://github.com/libguestfs/libguestfs/commit/824c74574893...

hammon 3y ago

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