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> "the trial judge did find that Apple violated California's unfair competition laws" > There's the line there from the article. You have used terminology that
by Maursault 3y ago
> "the trial judge did find that Apple violated California's unfair competition laws"
> There's the line there from the article.
You have used terminology that was absent from the article and the decision, namely, "anti-competitive practices." To be quite clear, the decision finding that Apple violated California's unfair competition laws in no way means that Apple engages in "anti-competitive practices."
> > nor, dare I say, does the judgment.
> You can just read the judgement yourself.
> https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/17442392/852/epic-games https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/17442392/852/epic-games...
> Its on page 1: " in favor of Epic on its claim under California’s Unfair Competition Law"
Again, see above. You have over reached with your language, and are now trying to sweep that under the rug.
> > Your interpretation
> You can just read the quote that I posted. Its in the ruling.
It is not in the ruling. The ruling does not use your terminology, "anti-competitive."
> > Neither Apple, nor any storefront, is required to do their competition's marketing for them.
> They are required to allow outside links. So yes, thats what the ruling says.
That is not what it says. It says they violated California's unfair competition laws by not allowing alternate payment methods. It does not state Apple is required to allow outside links. So that is not what the ruling says.
> > The judgement merely states that Apple can't ban links to other forms of payments
> Oh, so you agree with me! Got it. I am glad that you agree, that yes Apple is required to allow outside links, and yes it broke California unfair competition laws, as determined by the judge.
No, because you are using language that does not apply to the case nor Apple. You are being intentionally inaccurate to spin a false narrative.
> > there is a pretty good chance Apple will appeal the ruling
> Did you not know that this was already the appeal?
Irrelevant straw man. Did you read the article? "Apple may appeal... a larger group of judges on the 9th Circuit or to the U.S. Supreme Court."
> > if developers agree to Apple's terms, they should abide by them and not claim
> Actually, if those terms of service include banning links, then no developers should not abide by illegal terms like that. As the judge ruled that such terms are illegal, and developers don't have to follow them.
> If the judge rules that the terms break California law, then developers should not follow them.
Then Apple can pull their contract for breaching agreed to terms of the contract.
> > Why would Apple be required
> Well, Apple would be required to allow outside links, because thats what the judge just determined.
That is not what the judge said. You are extrapolating beyond the scope of the case and incorrectly rewording, and the result is inaccurate at best and false at worst.
> They should required to do that, that are required of them, by the california unfair competition law.
The California unfair competition law does not require Apple to allow links.
> > not only are you not right
> Hey, both the original judge and the appealed judge panel actually agree with me, not you.
> The legal system is on my side, not yours.
Unlikely. Laws and judgements are meticulous and specific. If the judgement does not include the order, "Apple is required to allow links to alternative forms of payment," which it does not, then that is not the judgement. The judge found that Apple violated California's unfair competition laws, not that Apple engages in anti-competitive practices, and not that Apple is required to provide links to alternative forms of payment.
Comprehension is critical here.
- stale2002 3y ago> To be quite clear, the decision finding that Apple violated California's unfair competition laws > It says they violated California's unfair competition laws Awesome! So you agree that yes the courts have ruled that they violated californias unfair competition laws. I am glad that you are conceding that this is the case. > Then Apple can pull their contract for breaching agreed to terms of the contract No, not if the contact breaches california's unfair competition laws! In that case, Apple would not be allowed to continue that unfairly competitive action. > The judge found that Apple violated California's unfair competition laws But you have to concede that this means that Apple cannot continue to break that law. So yes, Apple has to change its behavior! You have to admit that yes Apple has to stop doing the unfairly competitive action.
- Maursault 3y ago> Awesome! So you agree that yes the courts have ruled that they violated californias unfair competition laws. Not quite. Effect does not precede cause. I corrected you, and you then parroted my correction. > No, not if the contact breaches california's unfair competition laws! In that case, Apple would not be allowed to continue that unfairly competitive action. Apple is not required to issue contracts, nor even keep the AppStore running. Closing the AppStore, for example, would satisfy California's unfair competition laws. > But you have to concede that this means that Apple cannot continue to break that law. So yes, Apple has to change its behavior! You have to admit that yes Apple has to stop doing the unfairly competitive action. This is known as question begging, and it is fallacious. At any rate, I am through feeding your trolls.
- stale2002 3y ago> This is known as question begging, and it is fallacious. Actually it is recognizing the following 2 statements. Statement 1: The judges ruled that Apple broke the law, because of its behavior. Statement 2: Apple can't keep doing that, if the existing judgement stands. It sounds like you agree that both of these statements are true! > Apple is not required to issue contracts, nor even keep the AppStore running. So then Apple could not keep running an app store, with these provisions. If they run an App store, then they would be prevented, by law, from doing these unfair competition contracts. It sounds you agree completely that yes the judge ruled that they broke the law, and that they can't keep doing that, if the judgement stands!