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Value for who? No innovation, just hoarding massive profits. Quintupled stock price for shareholders.

by barelyauser 3y ago

PestoDiRucola 3y ago
> Value for who? No innovation Apple silicon?
- barelyauser 3y ago
  I urge you to research how much cash and investments Apple currently holds. Last year it was around 200B. Yes, Apple Silicon is innovation. But is a drop in the bucket. A sense of scale is very important.
VirusNewbie 3y ago
I can't live without my airpods. There aren't many things that I would buy immediately if they were destroyed. Airpods alone are a multibillion dollar company. So i'd say that's innovation.
Traubenfuchs 3y ago
To many, that's probably the foremost goal of a CEO, no?
- barelyauser 3y ago
  Many? To the shareholders it is. But as a consumer I prefer innovation and not money hoarding. Shareholders think otherwise.
  - dustedcodes 3y ago
    The Apple Silicon chips are a massive innovation which have just massively changed the laptop landscape. People are buying new MacBooks left and right because they can do all their work on a tiny laptop now which doesn't run hot and has a battery like an iPad.
    - arvinsim 3y ago
      As much as I am impressed by Apple Silicon, I haven't seen the buying habits of people I know change. Windows laptop owners still continue to buy windows laptops.
      - dustedcodes 3y ago
        Maybe I am in a bubble, but in my family I was the only Apple user 5 years ago. Today we have got not a single Windows device left anymore. My wife has a MBA now, my mum has a MBA now, my sister has a MBA now. Same goes for the .NET community. So many developers who some time ago would have only developed on a Windows machine all switched to Apple over the last few years and most people don't ever look back. I appreciate that those personal anecdotes don't mean anything, but let's put it this way, I was not surprised to see a 30% drop in Windows sells in Microsoft's last financial statement.
        toast0 3y ago
        Definitely a bubble. Comparable and accurate numbers are hard to get, but wikipedia reports [1] Apple having 9.8% of personal computer units shipped globally. It's certainly a different number if we could get a breakdown by country. In my bubble view, I don't see a lot of switching. Apple people like their M1/M2 mostly, other people aren't as excited about cpus, but seem to be doing ok. I'm definitely not an Apple person, and am feeling pushed away from Windows as well, but I haven't landed on FreeBSD for desktop yet. [1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Market_share_of_personal_computer_vendors https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Market_share_of_personal_com...
        james-revisoai 3y ago
        The trend is also reversing in some segments Apple owned which masked that there may be quite a trend occurring for home purchases, but the data doesn't show it because the extra purchases and hidden by losses. For example University libraries in the UK - at least those in the higher ranked universities - used to typically buy Macs/MacBooks somewhat as a status symbol, over Microsoft PCs. Today, there are few and far computers with the set up of a computer lab now almost entirely dead to laptops. I don't think this had an insubstantial impact on Apple, but it was probably masked by the rise of mac-based startups and other trends in Mac.

Value for who? No innovation, just hoarding massive profits. Quintupled stock price for shareholders.

PestoDiRucola 3y ago

> Value for who? No innovation Apple silicon?

barelyauser 3y ago
I urge you to research how much cash and investments Apple currently holds. Last year it was around 200B. Yes, Apple Silicon is innovation. But is a drop in the bucket. A sense of scale is very important.

VirusNewbie 3y ago

I can't live without my airpods. There aren't many things that I would buy immediately if they were destroyed. Airpods alone are a multibillion dollar company. So i'd say that's innovation.

Traubenfuchs 3y ago

To many, that's probably the foremost goal of a CEO, no?

barelyauser 3y ago
Many? To the shareholders it is. But as a consumer I prefer innovation and not money hoarding. Shareholders think otherwise.
- dustedcodes 3y ago
  The Apple Silicon chips are a massive innovation which have just massively changed the laptop landscape. People are buying new MacBooks left and right because they can do all their work on a tiny laptop now which doesn't run hot and has a battery like an iPad.
  - arvinsim 3y ago
    As much as I am impressed by Apple Silicon, I haven't seen the buying habits of people I know change. Windows laptop owners still continue to buy windows laptops.
    - dustedcodes 3y ago
      Maybe I am in a bubble, but in my family I was the only Apple user 5 years ago. Today we have got not a single Windows device left anymore. My wife has a MBA now, my mum has a MBA now, my sister has a MBA now. Same goes for the .NET community. So many developers who some time ago would have only developed on a Windows machine all switched to Apple over the last few years and most people don't ever look back. I appreciate that those personal anecdotes don't mean anything, but let's put it this way, I was not surprised to see a 30% drop in Windows sells in Microsoft's last financial statement.
      - toast0 3y ago
        Definitely a bubble. Comparable and accurate numbers are hard to get, but wikipedia reports [1] Apple having 9.8% of personal computer units shipped globally. It's certainly a different number if we could get a breakdown by country. In my bubble view, I don't see a lot of switching. Apple people like their M1/M2 mostly, other people aren't as excited about cpus, but seem to be doing ok. I'm definitely not an Apple person, and am feeling pushed away from Windows as well, but I haven't landed on FreeBSD for desktop yet. [1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Market_share_of_personal_computer_vendors https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Market_share_of_personal_com...
        james-revisoai 3y ago
        The trend is also reversing in some segments Apple owned which masked that there may be quite a trend occurring for home purchases, but the data doesn't show it because the extra purchases and hidden by losses. For example University libraries in the UK - at least those in the higher ranked universities - used to typically buy Macs/MacBooks somewhat as a status symbol, over Microsoft PCs. Today, there are few and far computers with the set up of a computer lab now almost entirely dead to laptops. I don't think this had an insubstantial impact on Apple, but it was probably masked by the rise of mac-based startups and other trends in Mac.