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Intels Fab 24 in Ireland does 14nm at least. But yea, Europe really missed the boat hard on chip manufacturing even though they have ASML sitting in the Netherl

by eis 3y ago

Intels Fab 24 in Ireland does 14nm at least. But yea, Europe really missed the boat hard on chip manufacturing even though they have ASML sitting in the Netherlands. Actually they already were in the game with several fabs. And then there was ARM. Feels like they not just missed the boat but mismanaged and then sold it for scraps while they could have had a realistic shot of being at the top of the game. Sigh.

foobarian 3y ago
Wonder why that is. Is it too easy to move abroad where the money is way better?
- arethuza 3y ago
  ASML who makes the EUV machines and Carl Zeiss who make the optics for the ASML machines are both in Europe?
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  - foobarian 3y ago
    Exactly, so why are the leading foundries also not there?
- Gasp0de 3y ago
  America and Asia have cheaper labor and energy although I don't know how much of an advantage that really is for such a highly complex product.
- eis 3y ago
  Taiwan made the foundry business a strategic priority for multiple reasons. Intel at least for the US was always a business with national security impact. Europe never realized the importance and didn't make it anywhere near priority. They did not provide enough on-going incentives nor did they protect their companies from being sold to foreign ones. Instead the companies jumped hard on the outsourcing train and pushed as much manufacturing abroad as possible. This was a very shortsighted move that temporarily increased profits but traded the future for it. When nation-states put their weight behind something then it's nearly impossible to compete unless your own nation-state puts their weight behind you as well. There is still some chance for Europe to come back into it but I have doubts they'll find the will to do it.
- mrtksn 3y ago
  There is a really good video about it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ZdmS-EAbHo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ZdmS-EAbHo

by eis 3y ago

foobarian 3y ago

Wonder why that is. Is it too easy to move abroad where the money is way better?

arethuza 3y ago
ASML who makes the EUV machines and Carl Zeiss who make the optics for the ASML machines are both in Europe?
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- foobarian 3y ago
  Exactly, so why are the leading foundries also not there?
Gasp0de 3y ago
America and Asia have cheaper labor and energy although I don't know how much of an advantage that really is for such a highly complex product.
eis 3y ago
Taiwan made the foundry business a strategic priority for multiple reasons. Intel at least for the US was always a business with national security impact. Europe never realized the importance and didn't make it anywhere near priority. They did not provide enough on-going incentives nor did they protect their companies from being sold to foreign ones. Instead the companies jumped hard on the outsourcing train and pushed as much manufacturing abroad as possible. This was a very shortsighted move that temporarily increased profits but traded the future for it. When nation-states put their weight behind something then it's nearly impossible to compete unless your own nation-state puts their weight behind you as well. There is still some chance for Europe to come back into it but I have doubts they'll find the will to do it.
mrtksn 3y ago
There is a really good video about it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ZdmS-EAbHo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ZdmS-EAbHo