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I am seeing a lot of 0 karma and less than a day old accounts posting here. I think we may be getting botted.

peoplefromibiza 3y ago
EU is heavily targeted every time is mentioned here. Don't know why, but it's something that is happening and I also noticed that the same arguments are used Evey time - EU is not free - EU is descending into authoritarianism - You can be jailed for saying things - EU politicians are puppets working for some gray entities that want to cancel the right to privacy for (reason unknown) and so on
- jruohonen 3y ago
  I am not sure whether it is about the EU per se. It seems to trace more to the nowadays highly toxic questions of free speech and alleged censorship. Although much of values and rights are shared across all Western countries, the freedom of expression has always diverged between the US and the rest. Of course, they have a right to point out that this freedom is (slightly) restricted in most European countries. Personally, I've never quite understood the obsession of many Americans on this particular right, given that there are so many other important rights and liberties in the Constitution. EDIT: While someone with a background in comparative legal analysis would be needed for a verification, I could also posit a hypothesis that both the EU's Charter and the national constitutions of most European countries grant more rights than the Constitution. That said, more is not always better from a constitutional law perspective, as the reform proposals in Chile clearly have showed.
  - thrillgore 3y ago
    Seeing a lot of the replies here focus on the EU's prevalence of anti-hate speech laws, there's clearly one genus of the audience that sees the EU as being "restrictive" on their kind of free speech. Which is not surprising in the least. As an American, I see nothing wrong with the EU's measures against hate speech. In the past decade, I've seen exactly where no limits on it leads to.
    - deceptionatd 3y ago
      My rule of thumb for evaluating laws: what could the most malicious person you can imagine do with that power? 'Hate speech' is a highly subjective category, and most proposals for hate speech laws that I've seen could be abused terribly.
      - thrillgore 3y ago
        And my response to that is: Laws and decrees have to be written in what manner they can oppress the least, but its on the public to hold the right people accountable so these laws remain fair.

EU is heavily targeted every time is mentioned here. Don't know why, but it's something that is happening and I also noticed that the same arguments are used Evey time - EU is not free - EU is descending into authoritarianism - You can be jailed for saying things - EU politicians are puppets working for some gray entities that want to cancel the right to privacy for (reason unknown) and so on

jruohonen 3y ago
I am not sure whether it is about the EU per se. It seems to trace more to the nowadays highly toxic questions of free speech and alleged censorship. Although much of values and rights are shared across all Western countries, the freedom of expression has always diverged between the US and the rest. Of course, they have a right to point out that this freedom is (slightly) restricted in most European countries. Personally, I've never quite understood the obsession of many Americans on this particular right, given that there are so many other important rights and liberties in the Constitution. EDIT: While someone with a background in comparative legal analysis would be needed for a verification, I could also posit a hypothesis that both the EU's Charter and the national constitutions of most European countries grant more rights than the Constitution. That said, more is not always better from a constitutional law perspective, as the reform proposals in Chile clearly have showed.
- thrillgore 3y ago
  Seeing a lot of the replies here focus on the EU's prevalence of anti-hate speech laws, there's clearly one genus of the audience that sees the EU as being "restrictive" on their kind of free speech. Which is not surprising in the least. As an American, I see nothing wrong with the EU's measures against hate speech. In the past decade, I've seen exactly where no limits on it leads to.
  - deceptionatd 3y ago
    My rule of thumb for evaluating laws: what could the most malicious person you can imagine do with that power? 'Hate speech' is a highly subjective category, and most proposals for hate speech laws that I've seen could be abused terribly.
    - thrillgore 3y ago
      And my response to that is: Laws and decrees have to be written in what manner they can oppress the least, but its on the public to hold the right people accountable so these laws remain fair.