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> 1. Coal was turned on because France messed up their nuclear fleet Not true. France had their nuclear fleet in limbo, unable to know how to plan due to EU r

by Zenst 3y ago

> 1. Coal was turned on because France messed up their nuclear fleet Not true. France had their nuclear fleet in limbo, unable to know how to plan due to EU rules saying X amount of energy must be generated from a green source. Sadly EU (well Germany) blocked that for many years, causing France to be stuck in a position of unable to invest or develop its nuclear energy (which btw they used to export lots, including to Germany). https://www.politico.eu/article/germany-to-veto-eu-plan-to-label-nuclear-energy-as-green-european-commission/ https://www.politico.eu/article/germany-to-veto-eu-plan-to-l... That got fixed in the end, as long as they agreed to label Gas as green energy generation, which Germany wanted and indeed, needed to comply with EU rules they help create. You could say Germany handicapped France and held them to ransom, you could say that, but to say France messed up would be utterly unfair with the full context at play.

ZeroGravitas 3y ago
edit: I think I misread your claim about EU rules and "gas" as being about e-fuels, but I'll leave the comment as it still seems broadly relevant. Regarding your claims about what "Germany" was up to, the article I posted elsewhere in the thread suggest it was the FDP overuling the Green's agenda. > They're particularly worried about Berlin's blockade of an EU ban on sales of polluting cars and vehicles from 2035, which the German government previously agreed to, and was specifically promoted by the Greens. However, at the very last stage of the legislative approval process, the FDP of Porsche-driving Finance Minister Christian Lindner threw a spanner at the works, demanding that the European Commission create a loophole for cars operating with synthetic fuels, or e-fuels.
- Zenst 3y ago
  Aha, we use gas to refer to "natural gas" and mindful of some countries refer to what we call petrol as gas. Hence, the whole car aspect is a whole other subject. Sorry for the confusion. I didn't go into, nor felt need to go into the finer political drivers, beyond, the overall representation of effect that was Germany, who sign and agreed things with the EU as a country, hence said Germany.
BurningPenguin 3y ago
That looks more like a somewhat recent thing. There is the Ademe study, which showed that renewable would be a good idea for France. Which was swept under the table, because it didn't fit Macrons idea of going full speed nuclear. https://www.reuters.com/article/france-nuclearpower-idUSL8N1YF5HC https://www.reuters.com/article/france-nuclearpower-idUSL8N1... Maybe having a sizeable renewable fleet would have helped to avoid much of the problems France has now. But i guess they also had a government playing that back and forth game... There was also a lot going on there: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_power_in_France#History https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_power_in_France#Histor... So, putting all blame on Germany alone doesn't really fit the history. Oh, and we're also net exporter of energy for many years now: https://www.statista.com/statistics/1331853/electricity-imports-exports-germany/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/1331853/electricity-impo...

by Zenst 3y ago

ZeroGravitas 3y ago

edit: I think I misread your claim about EU rules and "gas" as being about e-fuels, but I'll leave the comment as it still seems broadly relevant. Regarding your claims about what "Germany" was up to, the article I posted elsewhere in the thread suggest it was the FDP overuling the Green's agenda. > They're particularly worried about Berlin's blockade of an EU ban on sales of polluting cars and vehicles from 2035, which the German government previously agreed to, and was specifically promoted by the Greens. However, at the very last stage of the legislative approval process, the FDP of Porsche-driving Finance Minister Christian Lindner threw a spanner at the works, demanding that the European Commission create a loophole for cars operating with synthetic fuels, or e-fuels.

Zenst 3y ago
Aha, we use gas to refer to "natural gas" and mindful of some countries refer to what we call petrol as gas. Hence, the whole car aspect is a whole other subject. Sorry for the confusion. I didn't go into, nor felt need to go into the finer political drivers, beyond, the overall representation of effect that was Germany, who sign and agreed things with the EU as a country, hence said Germany.

BurningPenguin 3y ago

That looks more like a somewhat recent thing. There is the Ademe study, which showed that renewable would be a good idea for France. Which was swept under the table, because it didn't fit Macrons idea of going full speed nuclear. https://www.reuters.com/article/france-nuclearpower-idUSL8N1YF5HC https://www.reuters.com/article/france-nuclearpower-idUSL8N1... Maybe having a sizeable renewable fleet would have helped to avoid much of the problems France has now. But i guess they also had a government playing that back and forth game... There was also a lot going on there: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_power_in_France#History https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_power_in_France#Histor... So, putting all blame on Germany alone doesn't really fit the history. Oh, and we're also net exporter of energy for many years now: https://www.statista.com/statistics/1331853/electricity-imports-exports-germany/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/1331853/electricity-impo...