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They also edited out a Bill Nye segment where he said there are two genders. https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/tv/news/bill-nye-the-science-guy-

They also edited out a Bill Nye segment where he said there are two genders. https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/tv/news/bill-nye-the-science-guy-netflix-edit-removed-censored-gender-sex-chromosome-transgenderism-a7716881.html https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/tv/news/bil... Oceania has always been at war with Eastasia.

defrost 4y ago
Is there an issue with the removal of an actual scientific inaccuracy from a science program? This: > "See, there are only two possibilities: XX, a girl, or XY, a boy. The chance of becoming either a boy or a girl is always 1 in 2, a 50-50 chance either way. It’s like flipping a coin: X you’re a girl, Y you’re a boy.” is out by a few percent .. numbers wise it's more inaccurate than claiming there's no gold in the earths crust. ( see [1] ) [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intersex https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intersex I imagine Nye himself authorised the change to his own work as I assume he later corrected himself (as appears to be implied in your link).
- willcipriano 4y ago
  Take a look at the chart you provided "Prevalences of various conditions that have been called intersex" Why does it have a "Sex specificity" column? Why does it contain the words male and female?
  - jackmott42 4y ago
    that column also contains the word "none" in some cases. And in either case it is all just a judgement call people made for the conditions. The semantic sparring over sex and gender has a pretty simple compromise, that people who want to say it is a spectrum and people who want to say it is binary should be able to agree on and be happy with: it is a bimodal distribution of course the problem is that is a nuanced idea and humans can't handle nuance. Maybe you can, and I can, but WE as a human group can't. We prefer to drive ourselves literally insane over the semantic argument. oh well.
    - flippinburgers 4y ago
      The idea has always been that it is essentially binary with edge cases.
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      - yellowapple 4y ago
        "Always" to whom? There are countless cultures out there - both historical and contemporary - with non-binary interpretations of sex and/or gender.
        flippinburgers 4y ago
        First of all there are definitely a countable number of cultures... secondly ... well rolf.
        yellowapple 4y ago
        I mean, yes, the number of cultures is probably mathematically countable, but considering how quickly they split and merge and mix and such (and have been doing so for likely the entirety of human existence), do you really think it would be practical to do so? ;)
    - plob 4y ago
      If sex can be plotted as a bimodal distribution, then what do you believe is on the y-axis, and how do you measure this variable?
    - digging 4y ago
      > it is a bimodal distribution this isn't something that most people are familiar with, especially people who tend to see things in binaries (not because they're stupid, but because they're trained to see the world in binaries, because it's the simplest classification system which makes it easy to manipulate by politicians and media).
  - defrost 4y ago
    Australia, the country I live in, has an official passport that has for Sex: the valid responses M | F | X. The reason for that is the actual verifiable existance of people who were born here clearly, scientifically, medically as neither M NOR F. They are valid exceptions to the above quote from the Nye program and there are enough people born this way to number in the thousands in a country of some ~ 23 milllion or so. The passport system was changed as a citizen of this country fronted and objected to having enter M or F when they were born clearly neither. As someone with a science background who measures and models reality I approve of systems that track the world and its elements as it is and as they are .. rather than models that force a world view that doesn't match reality.
    - houstonn 4y ago
      Sad to hear that a country is anti-science. As Richard Dawkins recently clarified, "As a biologist, there are 2 sexes. And that's all there is to it." It's binary and there is no exception. People that claim otherwise are confused.
      - lcnPylGDnU4H9OF 4y ago
        I believe there are cases of people being born with a set of sex chromosomes that are different from XY and XX. This is what your parent commenter is referring to and I fail to see how it's a valid point ("anti-science"), on the particular topic of determining biological sex in people. If one wants to make a simple statement that encompasses the largest group of people they might say, "There are 2 sexes." If they want to make a more complex statement that encompasses all humans they might add a qualifier such that they instead say, "There are 2 typical sexes." That "typical" adds a whole lot of complexity in order to generalize the statement.
        illiopq 4y ago
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        lcnPylGDnU4H9OF 4y ago
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- rightbyte 4y ago
  There are more exotic three letter variants too.
- causi 4y ago
  is out by a few percent .. numbers wise it's more inaccurate than claiming there's no gold in the earths crust. ( see [1] ) [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intersex https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intersex I thought you were going to mention how there are more male embryos than female embryos created since males have a higher death rate. Why is sex the only category in which we have to constantly qualify ourselves with regard to birth defects? Someone who's talking about how the three types of cones work to create color vision doesn't have to constantly harken back to how some people are color-blind, despite that population being an order of magnitude larger than intersex individuals. Not mentioning people with phocomelia does not mean your lesson on the anatomy of the arms and legs is wrong or inadequate.
  - nextaccountic 4y ago
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    - causi 4y ago
      Is attacking intersex people a political platform? I believe you're referring to transgender people who, while subject to all those horrible things you mention, have nothing to do with the biology of sex. Exempting them from bans on genital surgery for infants/children certainly is a political choice. That's very interesting, I didn't know that. Personally I believe in a blanket ban of all unnecessary surgical procedures/body mods on newborns and infants, including "genital correction", circumcision, and piercing.
      - ryan-c 4y ago
        > Is attacking intersex people a political platform? Exempting them from bans on genital surgery for infants/children certainly is a political choice.
      - digging 4y ago
        Trying to step lightly here, but > have nothing to do with the biology of sex is not true. The motivation for dehumanizing trans people is largely based on the (completely erroneous) twin ideas that "gender is sex" and "there are two sexes". Both of those things being false really takes the wind out of the argument.
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treeman79 4y ago
Google also removed Easter. On Easter if you asked what day it was you got something like “Chicken little day”
Kye 4y ago
edit: never mind
- tdehnel 4y ago
  This is a textbook “not true but if so good” comment.
aorth 4y ago
Incidentally they did themselves a favor, as biological sex differentiation is determined by the sex cells (aka gametes) an individual produces, not by chromosomes. In humans these are eggs in women and sperm in men. https://www.skeptic.com/reading_room/from-sex-to-gender-modern-dismissal-of-biology/ https://www.skeptic.com/reading_room/from-sex-to-gender-mode...

defrost 4y ago

Is there an issue with the removal of an actual scientific inaccuracy from a science program? This: > "See, there are only two possibilities: XX, a girl, or XY, a boy. The chance of becoming either a boy or a girl is always 1 in 2, a 50-50 chance either way. It’s like flipping a coin: X you’re a girl, Y you’re a boy.” is out by a few percent .. numbers wise it's more inaccurate than claiming there's no gold in the earths crust. ( see [1] ) [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intersex https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intersex I imagine Nye himself authorised the change to his own work as I assume he later corrected himself (as appears to be implied in your link).

willcipriano 4y ago
Take a look at the chart you provided "Prevalences of various conditions that have been called intersex" Why does it have a "Sex specificity" column? Why does it contain the words male and female?
- jackmott42 4y ago
  that column also contains the word "none" in some cases. And in either case it is all just a judgement call people made for the conditions. The semantic sparring over sex and gender has a pretty simple compromise, that people who want to say it is a spectrum and people who want to say it is binary should be able to agree on and be happy with: it is a bimodal distribution of course the problem is that is a nuanced idea and humans can't handle nuance. Maybe you can, and I can, but WE as a human group can't. We prefer to drive ourselves literally insane over the semantic argument. oh well.
  - flippinburgers 4y ago
    The idea has always been that it is essentially binary with edge cases.
    - deleted 4y ago
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    - yellowapple 4y ago
      "Always" to whom? There are countless cultures out there - both historical and contemporary - with non-binary interpretations of sex and/or gender.
      - flippinburgers 4y ago
        First of all there are definitely a countable number of cultures... secondly ... well rolf.
        yellowapple 4y ago
        I mean, yes, the number of cultures is probably mathematically countable, but considering how quickly they split and merge and mix and such (and have been doing so for likely the entirety of human existence), do you really think it would be practical to do so? ;)
  - plob 4y ago
    If sex can be plotted as a bimodal distribution, then what do you believe is on the y-axis, and how do you measure this variable?
  - digging 4y ago
    > it is a bimodal distribution this isn't something that most people are familiar with, especially people who tend to see things in binaries (not because they're stupid, but because they're trained to see the world in binaries, because it's the simplest classification system which makes it easy to manipulate by politicians and media).
- defrost 4y ago
  Australia, the country I live in, has an official passport that has for Sex: the valid responses M | F | X. The reason for that is the actual verifiable existance of people who were born here clearly, scientifically, medically as neither M NOR F. They are valid exceptions to the above quote from the Nye program and there are enough people born this way to number in the thousands in a country of some ~ 23 milllion or so. The passport system was changed as a citizen of this country fronted and objected to having enter M or F when they were born clearly neither. As someone with a science background who measures and models reality I approve of systems that track the world and its elements as it is and as they are .. rather than models that force a world view that doesn't match reality.
  - houstonn 4y ago
    Sad to hear that a country is anti-science. As Richard Dawkins recently clarified, "As a biologist, there are 2 sexes. And that's all there is to it." It's binary and there is no exception. People that claim otherwise are confused.
    - lcnPylGDnU4H9OF 4y ago
      I believe there are cases of people being born with a set of sex chromosomes that are different from XY and XX. This is what your parent commenter is referring to and I fail to see how it's a valid point ("anti-science"), on the particular topic of determining biological sex in people. If one wants to make a simple statement that encompasses the largest group of people they might say, "There are 2 sexes." If they want to make a more complex statement that encompasses all humans they might add a qualifier such that they instead say, "There are 2 typical sexes." That "typical" adds a whole lot of complexity in order to generalize the statement.
      - illiopq 4y ago
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        lcnPylGDnU4H9OF 4y ago
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rightbyte 4y ago
There are more exotic three letter variants too.
causi 4y ago
is out by a few percent .. numbers wise it's more inaccurate than claiming there's no gold in the earths crust. ( see [1] ) [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intersex https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intersex I thought you were going to mention how there are more male embryos than female embryos created since males have a higher death rate. Why is sex the only category in which we have to constantly qualify ourselves with regard to birth defects? Someone who's talking about how the three types of cones work to create color vision doesn't have to constantly harken back to how some people are color-blind, despite that population being an order of magnitude larger than intersex individuals. Not mentioning people with phocomelia does not mean your lesson on the anatomy of the arms and legs is wrong or inadequate.
- nextaccountic 4y ago
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  - causi 4y ago
    Is attacking intersex people a political platform? I believe you're referring to transgender people who, while subject to all those horrible things you mention, have nothing to do with the biology of sex. Exempting them from bans on genital surgery for infants/children certainly is a political choice. That's very interesting, I didn't know that. Personally I believe in a blanket ban of all unnecessary surgical procedures/body mods on newborns and infants, including "genital correction", circumcision, and piercing.
    - ryan-c 4y ago
      > Is attacking intersex people a political platform? Exempting them from bans on genital surgery for infants/children certainly is a political choice.
    - digging 4y ago
      Trying to step lightly here, but > have nothing to do with the biology of sex is not true. The motivation for dehumanizing trans people is largely based on the (completely erroneous) twin ideas that "gender is sex" and "there are two sexes". Both of those things being false really takes the wind out of the argument.
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treeman79 4y ago

Google also removed Easter. On Easter if you asked what day it was you got something like “Chicken little day”

Kye 4y ago

edit: never mind

tdehnel 4y ago
This is a textbook “not true but if so good” comment.

aorth 4y ago

Incidentally they did themselves a favor, as biological sex differentiation is determined by the sex cells (aka gametes) an individual produces, not by chromosomes. In humans these are eggs in women and sperm in men. https://www.skeptic.com/reading_room/from-sex-to-gender-modern-dismissal-of-biology/ https://www.skeptic.com/reading_room/from-sex-to-gender-mode...