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Clearly that is a problem with Subaru (and Honda from someone else?) and not physical buttons themselves. Just because some vehicles have a piss poor implement

Clearly that is a problem with Subaru (and Honda from someone else?) and not physical buttons themselves. Just because some vehicles have a piss poor implementation doesn't mean the idea of physical is wrong. I have a 2015/16 Ford and Chevy with the infotainment screens - both have physical buttons and both respond instantly to my changes. They also both have an additional volume control on the steering wheel itself which also responds instantly. I'm not advocating everyone go buy Ford/Chevy by any means, but physical buttons - when implemented correctly - are superior to touchscreen controls.

to11mtm 3y ago
My 22 Ford has problems with the volume. Sometimes it just keeps pumping to max and you have to fight with it for up to 30 seconds as it's blasting your ears out. That's kinda the problem; these 'Infotainment' systems keep getting upgraded/etc for marketing purposes but don't have enough care put in the upgrades to make sure stuff works right. "Move Fast and Break things" is not a good motto for anything that does in a car IMO.
- Spooky23 3y ago
  The problem with cars is that’s it’s move slow and break things.
- martyvis 3y ago
  These comments with exactly the same problems I have are really making me LOL. Thanks. (I'm battling fever bouts post chemo so I need a laugh)
dom96 3y ago
> and Honda from someone else? fwiw my '20 Honda Civic doesn't have this problem. Volume knob feedback is instant.
eastbound 3y ago
> Just because some vehicles have a piss poor implementation doesn't mean the idea of physical is wrong. Yes it does. We constantly ban entire classes of goods because some of them can be badly built or badly used by customers knowingly using them wrong. Sydney even banned a few hundred bars in 2013 because tenants were using alcohol then misbehaved on the public street. Of course, a proven track of horrible implementations of OS for physical knobs should ban those companies from using them for 10 years. Come back to us when you can control how your gear behaves, we should tell them, this is the textbook implementation of no-upfront-regulation-until-you-misbehave.
- martyvis 3y ago
  This is great satire. I just can't understand how people go home at night knowing that this thing they built could easily have got right but they just got it so wrong. I think the big "system constraint" isn't so much the technical system but the business management system that clearly has to please "stakeholders" allows these flaws to keep continuing. As a Sydneysider you know we like those shame pages for bad restaurants and the like, maybe we need one for crappy UX

to11mtm 3y ago

My 22 Ford has problems with the volume. Sometimes it just keeps pumping to max and you have to fight with it for up to 30 seconds as it's blasting your ears out. That's kinda the problem; these 'Infotainment' systems keep getting upgraded/etc for marketing purposes but don't have enough care put in the upgrades to make sure stuff works right. "Move Fast and Break things" is not a good motto for anything that does in a car IMO.

Spooky23 3y ago
The problem with cars is that’s it’s move slow and break things.
martyvis 3y ago
These comments with exactly the same problems I have are really making me LOL. Thanks. (I'm battling fever bouts post chemo so I need a laugh)

dom96 3y ago

> and Honda from someone else? fwiw my '20 Honda Civic doesn't have this problem. Volume knob feedback is instant.

eastbound 3y ago

> Just because some vehicles have a piss poor implementation doesn't mean the idea of physical is wrong. Yes it does. We constantly ban entire classes of goods because some of them can be badly built or badly used by customers knowingly using them wrong. Sydney even banned a few hundred bars in 2013 because tenants were using alcohol then misbehaved on the public street. Of course, a proven track of horrible implementations of OS for physical knobs should ban those companies from using them for 10 years. Come back to us when you can control how your gear behaves, we should tell them, this is the textbook implementation of no-upfront-regulation-until-you-misbehave.

martyvis 3y ago
This is great satire. I just can't understand how people go home at night knowing that this thing they built could easily have got right but they just got it so wrong. I think the big "system constraint" isn't so much the technical system but the business management system that clearly has to please "stakeholders" allows these flaws to keep continuing. As a Sydneysider you know we like those shame pages for bad restaurants and the like, maybe we need one for crappy UX