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Biggest takeaway is that everything is a PC. That ARM tablet you're holding in your arm? It's a full PC and won't be artificially crippled to being a consumptio

Biggest takeaway is that everything is a PC. That ARM tablet you're holding in your arm? It's a full PC and won't be artificially crippled to being a consumption device only. Plug in or a dock a keyboard/mouse and you get the full notebook experience.

frou_dh 15y ago
That nebulous 'consumption only' meme is so stale. Where something sits on several axes of flexibility is certainly interesting and can be cause for concern, but let's lose the nonsense disproved by real software.
- freehunter 15y ago
  Yeah, there are plenty of blog posts out there telling people how some developer switched to developing on his iPad or installed vim or a SSH client. Personally, I do a lot of work on my Touchpad with a bluetooth keyboard. It's portable, effective (if not 100% efficient), and I don't look like a tool dragging my laptop around places (no honey, I'm just bringing the tablet!).
  - threedaymonk 15y ago
    > Yeah, there are plenty of blog posts out there telling people how some developer switched to developing on his iPad or installed vim or a SSH client There are a few, and we could probably enumerate them all right here. The reason they stand out is that almost no one does that, and that it's not an effective development environment for most people. Personally, I'd sooner shift careers to road mending than try to program on an iPad.
    - 286c8cb04bda 15y ago
      > Personally, I'd sooner shift careers to road mending than try to program on an iPad. And, personally, I'd love to be able to run Xcode on an iPad. With a Bluetooth keyboard it would be practically identical to the laptop I use now, but better for my back and wrists.
    - freehunter 15y ago
      How is using vim on an iPad any different than using vim on a laptop/desktop? Connect a Bluetooth keyboard and you're doing exactly the same thing. The only difference is a smaller screen size, but vim doesn't really care.
greyish_water 15y ago
Are you sure about that? This seems to say exactly the opposite. In fact, WOA only supports running code that has been distributed through Windows Update along with the full spectrum of Windows Store applications. WOA PCs will be serviced only through Windows or Microsoft Update, and consumer apps will only come from the Windows Store, so you never have to worry if a program will run because you are not downloading or installing from a DVD outside of the store experience. A WOA PC will feel like a consumer electronics device in terms of how it is used and managed.
- sliverstorm 15y ago
  This seems like a policy adopted to help avoid angry customers making a big deal about how they cannot install this or that application from their PC. Consumers are familiar with the App Store concept. Ergo, they probably won't be working hard to lock the platform from other applications (what little applications that will exist, that is)

frou_dh 15y ago

That nebulous 'consumption only' meme is so stale. Where something sits on several axes of flexibility is certainly interesting and can be cause for concern, but let's lose the nonsense disproved by real software.

freehunter 15y ago
Yeah, there are plenty of blog posts out there telling people how some developer switched to developing on his iPad or installed vim or a SSH client. Personally, I do a lot of work on my Touchpad with a bluetooth keyboard. It's portable, effective (if not 100% efficient), and I don't look like a tool dragging my laptop around places (no honey, I'm just bringing the tablet!).
- threedaymonk 15y ago
  > Yeah, there are plenty of blog posts out there telling people how some developer switched to developing on his iPad or installed vim or a SSH client There are a few, and we could probably enumerate them all right here. The reason they stand out is that almost no one does that, and that it's not an effective development environment for most people. Personally, I'd sooner shift careers to road mending than try to program on an iPad.
  - 286c8cb04bda 15y ago
    > Personally, I'd sooner shift careers to road mending than try to program on an iPad. And, personally, I'd love to be able to run Xcode on an iPad. With a Bluetooth keyboard it would be practically identical to the laptop I use now, but better for my back and wrists.
  - freehunter 15y ago
    How is using vim on an iPad any different than using vim on a laptop/desktop? Connect a Bluetooth keyboard and you're doing exactly the same thing. The only difference is a smaller screen size, but vim doesn't really care.

greyish_water 15y ago

Are you sure about that? This seems to say exactly the opposite. In fact, WOA only supports running code that has been distributed through Windows Update along with the full spectrum of Windows Store applications. WOA PCs will be serviced only through Windows or Microsoft Update, and consumer apps will only come from the Windows Store, so you never have to worry if a program will run because you are not downloading or installing from a DVD outside of the store experience. A WOA PC will feel like a consumer electronics device in terms of how it is used and managed.

sliverstorm 15y ago
This seems like a policy adopted to help avoid angry customers making a big deal about how they cannot install this or that application from their PC. Consumers are familiar with the App Store concept. Ergo, they probably won't be working hard to lock the platform from other applications (what little applications that will exist, that is)