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It's already happened. Netflix and Hulu both removed the episode of Community where someone was cosplaying a dark elf because it looked too much like blackface.

by causi 4y ago

It's already happened. Netflix and Hulu both removed the episode of Community where someone was cosplaying a dark elf because it looked too much like blackface. Never mind the fact the person doing it is insane, its resemblance to blackface is the joke, and his character dies and is removed from the show after less than a minute of screen time.

willcipriano 4y ago
They also edited out a Bill Nye segment where he said there are two genders. https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/tv/news/bill-nye-the-science-guy-netflix-edit-removed-censored-gender-sex-chromosome-transgenderism-a7716881.html https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/tv/news/bil... Oceania has always been at war with Eastasia.
- defrost 4y ago
  Is there an issue with the removal of an actual scientific inaccuracy from a science program? This: > "See, there are only two possibilities: XX, a girl, or XY, a boy. The chance of becoming either a boy or a girl is always 1 in 2, a 50-50 chance either way. It’s like flipping a coin: X you’re a girl, Y you’re a boy.” is out by a few percent .. numbers wise it's more inaccurate than claiming there's no gold in the earths crust. ( see [1] ) [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intersex https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intersex I imagine Nye himself authorised the change to his own work as I assume he later corrected himself (as appears to be implied in your link).
  - willcipriano 4y ago
    Take a look at the chart you provided "Prevalences of various conditions that have been called intersex" Why does it have a "Sex specificity" column? Why does it contain the words male and female?
    - jackmott42 4y ago
      that column also contains the word "none" in some cases. And in either case it is all just a judgement call people made for the conditions. The semantic sparring over sex and gender has a pretty simple compromise, that people who want to say it is a spectrum and people who want to say it is binary should be able to agree on and be happy with: it is a bimodal distribution of course the problem is that is a nuanced idea and humans can't handle nuance. Maybe you can, and I can, but WE as a human group can't. We prefer to drive ourselves literally insane over the semantic argument. oh well.
      - flippinburgers 4y ago
        The idea has always been that it is essentially binary with edge cases.
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        yellowapple 4y ago
        "Always" to whom? There are countless cultures out there - both historical and contemporary - with non-binary interpretations of sex and/or gender.
        flippinburgers 3y ago
        First of all there are definitely a countable number of cultures... secondly ... well rolf.
        yellowapple 3y ago
        I mean, yes, the number of cultures is probably mathematically countable, but considering how quickly they split and merge and mix and such (and have been doing so for likely the entirety of human existence), do you really think it would be practical to do so? ;)
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  - rightbyte 4y ago
    There are more exotic three letter variants too.
  - causi 4y ago
    is out by a few percent .. numbers wise it's more inaccurate than claiming there's no gold in the earths crust. ( see [1] ) [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intersex https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intersex I thought you were going to mention how there are more male embryos than female embryos created since males have a higher death rate. Why is sex the only category in which we have to constantly qualify ourselves with regard to birth defects? Someone who's talking about how the three types of cones work to create color vision doesn't have to constantly harken back to how some people are color-blind, despite that population being an order of magnitude larger than intersex individuals. Not mentioning people with phocomelia does not mean your lesson on the anatomy of the arms and legs is wrong or inadequate.
    - nextaccountic 4y ago
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      - causi 4y ago
        Is attacking intersex people a political platform? I believe you're referring to transgender people who, while subject to all those horrible things you mention, have nothing to do with the biology of sex. Exempting them from bans on genital surgery for infants/children certainly is a political choice. That's very interesting, I didn't know that. Personally I believe in a blanket ban of all unnecessary surgical procedures/body mods on newborns and infants, including "genital correction", circumcision, and piercing.
        ryan-c 4y ago
        > Is attacking intersex people a political platform? Exempting them from bans on genital surgery for infants/children certainly is a political choice.
        digging 4y ago
        Trying to step lightly here, but > have nothing to do with the biology of sex is not true. The motivation for dehumanizing trans people is largely based on the (completely erroneous) twin ideas that "gender is sex" and "there are two sexes". Both of those things being false really takes the wind out of the argument.
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- treeman79 4y ago
  Google also removed Easter. On Easter if you asked what day it was you got something like “Chicken little day”
- Kye 4y ago
  edit: never mind
  - tdehnel 4y ago
    This is a textbook “not true but if so good” comment.
- aorth 4y ago
  Incidentally they did themselves a favor, as biological sex differentiation is determined by the sex cells (aka gametes) an individual produces, not by chromosomes. In humans these are eggs in women and sperm in men. https://www.skeptic.com/reading_room/from-sex-to-gender-modern-dismissal-of-biology/ https://www.skeptic.com/reading_room/from-sex-to-gender-mode...
WeylandYutani 4y ago
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- Kye 4y ago
  edit: never mind
  - tdehnel 4y ago
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  - bmelton 4y ago
    Getting back to the thesis, and without commenting on woke/not-woke (because I'm neither qualified nor care,) I am not sure what makes this particular comedy different from comedy we might otherwise consider problematic. ${X} joke about ${Y} -- if ${X} is only funny so long as ${Y} doesn't violate cultural taboos to make fun of, then we have an issue with the permanence of the joke. If a bad joke about ${Y} can be fixed by changing ${Y} to Republican (or whatever else is culturally acceptable to make fun of in time ${Z}, then the problem is not ${X} joke, it's our sensitivity to ${Y}.
kodisha 4y ago
Don't even get me started about Netflix cropping Seinfeld from 4:3 to 16:9, and thus making the whole thing TOTALLY unwatchable for me. What the hell Netflix??
- bombcar 4y ago
  "This show has been modified to NOT fit your TV". It's insane how freaked people STILL get over black bars! Look, we get it, some aspect ratios don't work when on other aspect ratios! Just leave the content alone!
commandlinefan 4y ago
I was listening to the Dire Straits song "Money for Nothing" on Sirius last week and there's an entire verse that was just edited out of existence (if you're old enough to remember the song when it came out, you can probably guess which verse). Never mind that the verse itself was poking fun at people who talked like that.
- bmelton 4y ago
  The entire song was (as I recall) poking fun at people who talked like that, and all of the lyrics in the song came were overheard by some working class patrons and their observations watching MTV.
- somenameforme 4y ago
  It's ironic because so many of these things being targeted for censorship not only are completely inoffensive, but completely mocking the stuff in question. I suppose humor and irony are always the first victims of authoritarianism. Another excellent example is the adventures of Huck Finn. That literally the only genuinely good person in the book was called "[racial pejorative that would probably get this post auto-flagged] Jim" was the entire point. Mark Twain was making a point about judging people by labels or how they look on the surface, instead of judging them by their character and actions. Of course now we're back to square one to judging people by labels and how they look on the surface, but this time it'll be different. We as a species seem doomed to repeat history on loop, like some sort of real life Ground Hog Day.
  - Chinjut 4y ago
    He's not called that in the book. People constantly say he is, with an air of authority, but go read it yourself. Go do a search on the Project Gutenberg text. He's just called Jim. Not once is there any instance in the book where anyone takes his name to be anything other than Jim. I don't know where this popular misconception was invented. Yes, the racial term is said in the book, but not as part of his name.
    - red-iron-pine 4y ago

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willcipriano 4y ago

They also edited out a Bill Nye segment where he said there are two genders. https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/tv/news/bill-nye-the-science-guy-netflix-edit-removed-censored-gender-sex-chromosome-transgenderism-a7716881.html https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/tv/news/bil... Oceania has always been at war with Eastasia.

defrost 4y ago
Is there an issue with the removal of an actual scientific inaccuracy from a science program? This: > "See, there are only two possibilities: XX, a girl, or XY, a boy. The chance of becoming either a boy or a girl is always 1 in 2, a 50-50 chance either way. It’s like flipping a coin: X you’re a girl, Y you’re a boy.” is out by a few percent .. numbers wise it's more inaccurate than claiming there's no gold in the earths crust. ( see [1] ) [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intersex https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intersex I imagine Nye himself authorised the change to his own work as I assume he later corrected himself (as appears to be implied in your link).
- willcipriano 4y ago
  Take a look at the chart you provided "Prevalences of various conditions that have been called intersex" Why does it have a "Sex specificity" column? Why does it contain the words male and female?
  - jackmott42 4y ago
    that column also contains the word "none" in some cases. And in either case it is all just a judgement call people made for the conditions. The semantic sparring over sex and gender has a pretty simple compromise, that people who want to say it is a spectrum and people who want to say it is binary should be able to agree on and be happy with: it is a bimodal distribution of course the problem is that is a nuanced idea and humans can't handle nuance. Maybe you can, and I can, but WE as a human group can't. We prefer to drive ourselves literally insane over the semantic argument. oh well.
    - flippinburgers 4y ago
      The idea has always been that it is essentially binary with edge cases.
      - deleted 4y ago
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      - yellowapple 4y ago
        "Always" to whom? There are countless cultures out there - both historical and contemporary - with non-binary interpretations of sex and/or gender.
        flippinburgers 3y ago
        First of all there are definitely a countable number of cultures... secondly ... well rolf.
        yellowapple 3y ago
        I mean, yes, the number of cultures is probably mathematically countable, but considering how quickly they split and merge and mix and such (and have been doing so for likely the entirety of human existence), do you really think it would be practical to do so? ;)
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- rightbyte 4y ago
  There are more exotic three letter variants too.
- causi 4y ago
  is out by a few percent .. numbers wise it's more inaccurate than claiming there's no gold in the earths crust. ( see [1] ) [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intersex https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intersex I thought you were going to mention how there are more male embryos than female embryos created since males have a higher death rate. Why is sex the only category in which we have to constantly qualify ourselves with regard to birth defects? Someone who's talking about how the three types of cones work to create color vision doesn't have to constantly harken back to how some people are color-blind, despite that population being an order of magnitude larger than intersex individuals. Not mentioning people with phocomelia does not mean your lesson on the anatomy of the arms and legs is wrong or inadequate.
  - nextaccountic 4y ago
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    - causi 4y ago
      Is attacking intersex people a political platform? I believe you're referring to transgender people who, while subject to all those horrible things you mention, have nothing to do with the biology of sex. Exempting them from bans on genital surgery for infants/children certainly is a political choice. That's very interesting, I didn't know that. Personally I believe in a blanket ban of all unnecessary surgical procedures/body mods on newborns and infants, including "genital correction", circumcision, and piercing.
      - ryan-c 4y ago
        > Is attacking intersex people a political platform? Exempting them from bans on genital surgery for infants/children certainly is a political choice.
      - digging 4y ago
        Trying to step lightly here, but > have nothing to do with the biology of sex is not true. The motivation for dehumanizing trans people is largely based on the (completely erroneous) twin ideas that "gender is sex" and "there are two sexes". Both of those things being false really takes the wind out of the argument.
- deleted 4y ago
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treeman79 4y ago
Google also removed Easter. On Easter if you asked what day it was you got something like “Chicken little day”
Kye 4y ago
edit: never mind
- tdehnel 4y ago
  This is a textbook “not true but if so good” comment.
aorth 4y ago
Incidentally they did themselves a favor, as biological sex differentiation is determined by the sex cells (aka gametes) an individual produces, not by chromosomes. In humans these are eggs in women and sperm in men. https://www.skeptic.com/reading_room/from-sex-to-gender-modern-dismissal-of-biology/ https://www.skeptic.com/reading_room/from-sex-to-gender-mode...

WeylandYutani 4y ago

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Kye 4y ago
edit: never mind
- tdehnel 4y ago
  [flagged]
- bmelton 4y ago
  Getting back to the thesis, and without commenting on woke/not-woke (because I'm neither qualified nor care,) I am not sure what makes this particular comedy different from comedy we might otherwise consider problematic. ${X} joke about ${Y} -- if ${X} is only funny so long as ${Y} doesn't violate cultural taboos to make fun of, then we have an issue with the permanence of the joke. If a bad joke about ${Y} can be fixed by changing ${Y} to Republican (or whatever else is culturally acceptable to make fun of in time ${Z}, then the problem is not ${X} joke, it's our sensitivity to ${Y}.

kodisha 4y ago

Don't even get me started about Netflix cropping Seinfeld from 4:3 to 16:9, and thus making the whole thing TOTALLY unwatchable for me. What the hell Netflix??

bombcar 4y ago
"This show has been modified to NOT fit your TV". It's insane how freaked people STILL get over black bars! Look, we get it, some aspect ratios don't work when on other aspect ratios! Just leave the content alone!

commandlinefan 4y ago

I was listening to the Dire Straits song "Money for Nothing" on Sirius last week and there's an entire verse that was just edited out of existence (if you're old enough to remember the song when it came out, you can probably guess which verse). Never mind that the verse itself was poking fun at people who talked like that.

bmelton 4y ago
The entire song was (as I recall) poking fun at people who talked like that, and all of the lyrics in the song came were overheard by some working class patrons and their observations watching MTV.
somenameforme 4y ago
It's ironic because so many of these things being targeted for censorship not only are completely inoffensive, but completely mocking the stuff in question. I suppose humor and irony are always the first victims of authoritarianism. Another excellent example is the adventures of Huck Finn. That literally the only genuinely good person in the book was called "[racial pejorative that would probably get this post auto-flagged] Jim" was the entire point. Mark Twain was making a point about judging people by labels or how they look on the surface, instead of judging them by their character and actions. Of course now we're back to square one to judging people by labels and how they look on the surface, but this time it'll be different. We as a species seem doomed to repeat history on loop, like some sort of real life Ground Hog Day.
- Chinjut 4y ago
  He's not called that in the book. People constantly say he is, with an air of authority, but go read it yourself. Go do a search on the Project Gutenberg text. He's just called Jim. Not once is there any instance in the book where anyone takes his name to be anything other than Jim. I don't know where this popular misconception was invented. Yes, the racial term is said in the book, but not as part of his name.
  - red-iron-pine 4y ago