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> And to me this reads as petulant redefining of terms in the hopes of pulling a gotcha You are the one doing the petulant redefining. > But household has alw

by shkkmo 4y ago

> And to me this reads as petulant redefining of terms in the hopes of pulling a gotcha You are the one doing the petulant redefining. > But household has always been the combination of a physical house and a social group in it. To claim otherwise is silly. Not true. Household has a well established meaning that you are trying to redefine. The referent of "household" is a social group and does not include the house itself. The house is merely part of how that social group can be defined. If your house is destroyed in a fire, you don't stop being a household while it is rebuilt. If you own a vacation home, the household doesn't change based on who might be visiting the vacation home at any given time. > Even "family" is typically constrained to immediate family. Such that nobody expects family benefits at a job to extend to their cousins. Heck, we don't even expect it to extend to siblings or parents. You seem to have trouble with meanings. Just because some employment benefits described with the term "family" are contractually limited, doesn't change the meaning of the word "family". In fact, even the term "immediate family" explicitly includes siblings, spouse's siblings, parents, spouse's parents, grandparents, etcetera.

taeric 4y ago
My point was that nobody has ever used household for two houses. Ever. If you can find a place that has been done, I'd be swayed. But I have never ever seen that. The definition posted above has family/social unit and house/dwelling unit. Reading that as one of those being plural is awkward and feels flat out in bad faith to conversation. Now, I will fully cede that Netflix has redefined their terms and are also at fault in this whole fiasco. They are the ones that tried to build on the back of goodwill by allowing a much more open sharing policy than anything else was ever capable of doing.
- shkkmo 4y ago
  > My point was that nobody has ever used household for two houses. Ever. If you can find a place that has been done, I'd be swayed. But I have never ever seen that. Then maybe you should have spent some time looking before so strongly asserting something that is flat out wrong. Go look at some definitions. There are plenty of legal definitions, in addition to dictionary ones, that clearly contradict your take. The key element is shared residency and living expenses. The number of homes owned is not relevant.
  - taeric 4y ago
    Point me to some. Seriously, the definition linked here clearly has household as the combination. Where are households defined as multiple houses? For fun, try https://www.prb.org/resources/what-is-a-household/ https://www.prb.org/resources/what-is-a-household/ which says "A household is defined by the U.S. Census Bureau as all the people who occupy a single housing unit, regardless of their relationship to one another." Did they get it wrong? https://www.census.gov/programs-surveys/cps/technical-documentation/subject-definitions.html#household https://www.census.gov/programs-surveys/cps/technical-docume... seems to agree with them. Or, maybe, you are just trying to gaslight folks and not actually arguing in good faith...
    - shkkmo 4y ago
      The census is a great example. If a person is at a location, such as vacation home, when the census counts them, the census counts them as at the location that they sleep at the most. You don't stop being a part of a household just because you're spending the weekend at your cabin. Even if your 10 person household has 11 homes, 1 primary home where everyone sleeps 183 days a year and 10 vacation homes where each sleeps the other 182 days a year, that would still be counted as a 10 person household by the census. And both those linked definition make clear the basic point that you are still apparently failing to grasp. The referrent of "household" is the people who share their primary residence, not the residence itself.
      - taeric 4y ago
        Ah, I see the distinction you are trying to make. You are talking of the people in the household. But that is easily seen as a distinct thing from the household. Consider standard household services. They are tied to the household, which has a fixed address. Is why power company won't give you power for your RV at any other location. Again, I'm sympathetic. And power companies distinguish this with service address. But this is exactly the point. Every other "sharable thing" will be a distinguished thing that is shared. They will often have vague ass terms that tie it to the people of a household. But they will also have carve outs on how that applies to them.

by shkkmo 4y ago

taeric 4y ago

My point was that nobody has ever used household for two houses. Ever. If you can find a place that has been done, I'd be swayed. But I have never ever seen that. The definition posted above has family/social unit and house/dwelling unit. Reading that as one of those being plural is awkward and feels flat out in bad faith to conversation. Now, I will fully cede that Netflix has redefined their terms and are also at fault in this whole fiasco. They are the ones that tried to build on the back of goodwill by allowing a much more open sharing policy than anything else was ever capable of doing.

shkkmo 4y ago
> My point was that nobody has ever used household for two houses. Ever. If you can find a place that has been done, I'd be swayed. But I have never ever seen that. Then maybe you should have spent some time looking before so strongly asserting something that is flat out wrong. Go look at some definitions. There are plenty of legal definitions, in addition to dictionary ones, that clearly contradict your take. The key element is shared residency and living expenses. The number of homes owned is not relevant.
- taeric 4y ago
  Point me to some. Seriously, the definition linked here clearly has household as the combination. Where are households defined as multiple houses? For fun, try https://www.prb.org/resources/what-is-a-household/ https://www.prb.org/resources/what-is-a-household/ which says "A household is defined by the U.S. Census Bureau as all the people who occupy a single housing unit, regardless of their relationship to one another." Did they get it wrong? https://www.census.gov/programs-surveys/cps/technical-documentation/subject-definitions.html#household https://www.census.gov/programs-surveys/cps/technical-docume... seems to agree with them. Or, maybe, you are just trying to gaslight folks and not actually arguing in good faith...
  - shkkmo 4y ago
    The census is a great example. If a person is at a location, such as vacation home, when the census counts them, the census counts them as at the location that they sleep at the most. You don't stop being a part of a household just because you're spending the weekend at your cabin. Even if your 10 person household has 11 homes, 1 primary home where everyone sleeps 183 days a year and 10 vacation homes where each sleeps the other 182 days a year, that would still be counted as a 10 person household by the census. And both those linked definition make clear the basic point that you are still apparently failing to grasp. The referrent of "household" is the people who share their primary residence, not the residence itself.
    - taeric 4y ago
      Ah, I see the distinction you are trying to make. You are talking of the people in the household. But that is easily seen as a distinct thing from the household. Consider standard household services. They are tied to the household, which has a fixed address. Is why power company won't give you power for your RV at any other location. Again, I'm sympathetic. And power companies distinguish this with service address. But this is exactly the point. Every other "sharable thing" will be a distinguished thing that is shared. They will often have vague ass terms that tie it to the people of a household. But they will also have carve outs on how that applies to them.