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German researchers figure out how lager first developed in Bavaria
- kome 4y agothis title, let's change it c'mon.
- ciarcode 4y agoAh ok, that kind of lager!
- bowsamic 4y agoI think this is the only meaning of lager in English
- airstrike 4y ago"lager beer" in title would be more appropriate, IMOHO
- watwut 4y agoLol, I associated it with a prison too.
- MoSattler 4y ago"Camp" is a more accurate translation, which gives the title a bit of a different connotation...
- watwut 4y agoIn Russian, Czech or Slovak, I have never ever seen or heard it being used in the context of an innocent camp. It just means bad kind of prison and sometimes military barracks - when you want to imply you don't like those military barracks. I do not know how in German.
- MoSattler 4y agoyou can see it in the German word for concentration camp: KonzentrationsLAGER.
- sologoub 4y agoSummer camp? https://ru.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Летний_лагерь https://ru.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Летний_лагерь When лагерь is used by itself, it depends on context - could be a prison/labor camp, kids summer camp, a historical military reference to an army camping on a campaign, or even a refugee camp or a tourist camp. Not that different from English “camp” really. Russian also borrowed lager bier in “лагер” (without the softening “ь”), whereas Czech and Slovak have native words for it (ležák/ležiak) with a similar (if not greater) complexity in styles to Germany.
- soco 4y agoTell me you don't drink beer without telling me you don't drink beer.
- FredPret 4y agoTo misunderstand this word, OP probably speaks German, which means statistically they probably drink more beer than you.
- schroeding 4y agoDoesn't help that "Lager" is not used as much for beer in Germany, at least in the regions I know. Such beer is instead often classified as "Untergärig", from "untergärige Hefe" => "bottom-fermenting yeast"
- soco 4y agoNobody I know orders their beer "ein Untergärig bitte" (Switzerland here). Although not THE name, still everybody knows what a Lager is (as in, whether they want a helles or dunkles). Yes of course there's the camp meaning as well, but you wouldn't mix that up in a Kneipe. Only when you read just a random internet article and you have zero context to know which is which - even though this phrasing would be really weird if it referred to a camp (for me, non-native English speaker).
- schroeding 4y agoYeah, Lager inside a Kneipe / Wirtshaus is obviously meant in the "category of beer" way. At least here in Bavaria, it would just be "ein Helles" (or "ein Dunkles"). :D Regional differences between Bavaria and Switzerland may show here. As an example of "Untergärig" used instead of Lager: https://www.giesinger-shop.de/zum-trinken/9-giesinger-erhellung-1805l.html https://www.giesinger-shop.de/zum-trinken/9-giesinger-erhell...
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- jimmytidey 4y agoWhat is the prison meaning?
- _petronius 4y agoThe semantic space that "lager" covers in German is around storage/collection: so it covers concepts that in English are distinguished by worlds like "camp" (storage of people; and is therefore applied to prison camps) and "warehouse". Lager beer is matured in cold storage (like a cellar), hence "Lagerbier" just means "beer kept in storage", roughly. Because of differing semantic coverage, a lot of words between German and English are not 1:1 mappings. A reverse example is that in English we often speak of generic entrances, while in German you would normally distinguish between an entrance you drive through ("Einfahrt") versus walk ("Eingang").
- dr_dshiv 4y agoAt UCSD, the campus library is named “Geisel Library” (Geisel means hostage)
- jutrewag 4y ago[dead]
- stephencanon 4y agoThe medical school at Dartmouth, too.
- kgwgk 4y ago>The semantic space that "lager" covers in German is around storage/collection It's wider than that and covers also the sleeping place of people and animals. Lager is related to lair in English.
- twic 4y agoBut note that "lager beer" is not at all similar to "prison wine".
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- saiya-jin 4y agoAs much as I like Czech beer (especially from 'tanks' - 400-1000 liter barrels that use gravity to get beer out and not CO2 like smaller kegs, which translates into much smoother and less sour taste), bavarian, namely Munich's Augustiner Edelstoff is by far the best lager from bottle I ever tasted. It easily beats any 'craft' beers I've experienced around the globe, and 0.5 lter bottle costs 1.2 euro in Munich's supermarkets. Makes me think its good for my health I don't live there, would probably become significant consumer. Also, still pending with tasting it from the barrels (which should be wooden in this case, unlike basically any other mass produced beers I am aware of). They also make stronger special for Oktoberfest, another todo
- hef19898 4y agoEdelstoff is good! And hey, every occassion to make stronger, seasonal beer is welcome: Oktoberfest, Starkbier, Easter, Christmas...
- myvoiceismypass 4y agoCo2 does not create a “sour” taste.
- GoldenRacer 4y agoDissolved CO2 forms carbonic acid which like most acids has a sour taste. It's not as strong as something like citric or lactic acid but it's certainly present. I personally don't really think of it while drinking carbonated beer but I definitely notice it while drinking sparkling water without other flavors to distract me.
- couchand 4y agoThe reaction you describe exists but this is not generally referred to as sour in the context of beer tasting. Carbonic and citric acid are usually described as "tart" or "acidic" flavors, with "sour" generally being reserved for lactic or acetic acid.
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- jnsie 4y agoOddly enough I awoke to a story on RTE.ie (Ireland's state broadcaster's website) entitled "Irish scientists help uncover origins of lager beer". I laughed, opening the article, to find the title change to "Unknown origins of lager beer uncovered by Irish and German scientists". It still places us Irish at the forefront, but a little less so :-) https://www.rte.ie/news/2023/0427/1379406-lager-origins/ https://www.rte.ie/news/2023/0427/1379406-lager-origins/
- zwieback 4y agoGood to know. I also associate lager with Pilsener and northern Germany so I realize now that I was totally off. Also the connection between Reinheitsgebot and ale/lager yeasts was new. I didn't know that the type of yeast was specified in the law. Finally we have some really excellent lager beers in Oregon, it's been a long time coming.
- ThePowerOfFuet 4y agoThe linked page gives users no way to decline cookies.
- partiallypro 4y agoNo beer, imo, can top a lager from the Bavarian region. Doesn't matter if it's Hofbrau, Weihenstephaner, etc. Basically, all of them are good. I have never really understood why they haven't been more successful in market penetration. The closest two commercially successful beers, at least in the US, that are even similar are Stella and Heineken. I do know that there was some backlash of German beers being brewed in the US. I know Lowenbrau was once quite popular, but they did a brewing partnership with Coors...I think, which changed the taste and it fell out of the US market. Now a lot of German restaurants have the beer shipped straight from Germany. A lot of people drink IPAs now, but American IPAs to me just taste like cheaply made beer that's expensive to purchase.
- dunefox 4y agoA big reason why Bavarian beer is so good is the Reinheitsgebot. Exactly defined high quality ingredients and exact recipes for brewing.