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Germany, when secularization hit, they just took all the old books from the monastries and burned them or threw them before the horse wagons carrying them off,

Germany, when secularization hit, they just took all the old books from the monastries and burned them or threw them before the horse wagons carrying them off, to make the roads less muddy. The catholic church was very reviled, because it was in constant "grab all things permanently" mode for hundreds of years and owned parts of the country. Still, alot of the art went missing or was just destroyed. And its a huge mistake, cause even art made in a prison, created on demand by the prison director, is art made by the artist.

ginko 3y ago
That was during the German reformation, not secularization.
- PicassoCTs 3y ago
  Partially true, there was the protestant "Fürstentümer", but alot of places remained catholic and kept all the stuff. It was during Napoleons conquest of europe, that secularism as described above touched all places. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_mediatisation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_mediatisation It was basically the french revolutionary ideals spread to half of europe during a interim phase of french expansionism. And they were welcomed as liberators by man peasants, and the french idea of the nation, with the nobles done away wa quite attractive. In those times, lots of the old stuff was thrown out with the "old elites". Im sorry european history is so confusing. Basically it all happens, over and over again, for different reasons, but the "bilderstürmerei" is such a old tradition, that some anticipating it, just painted over the old stuff with white chalk paint, preserving it below. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iconoclasm https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iconoclasm
newusertoday 3y ago
true. This whole idea of destroying things because it doesn't fit your current ideology is evil For example CPC destroyed lot of its old art dating back to BC because it wanted to remove all artifacts of old culture. They could have just given it to archaelogists of other countries who would be glad to to take it. Or the idiot islamists destorying idols like buddha's bamiyan statue because its written in some book not realizing that in buddhism there is no concept of god so buddhist don't even pray to the idol! not sure whats the point of destroying it.

ginko 3y ago

That was during the German reformation, not secularization.

PicassoCTs 3y ago
Partially true, there was the protestant "Fürstentümer", but alot of places remained catholic and kept all the stuff. It was during Napoleons conquest of europe, that secularism as described above touched all places. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_mediatisation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_mediatisation It was basically the french revolutionary ideals spread to half of europe during a interim phase of french expansionism. And they were welcomed as liberators by man peasants, and the french idea of the nation, with the nobles done away wa quite attractive. In those times, lots of the old stuff was thrown out with the "old elites". Im sorry european history is so confusing. Basically it all happens, over and over again, for different reasons, but the "bilderstürmerei" is such a old tradition, that some anticipating it, just painted over the old stuff with white chalk paint, preserving it below. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iconoclasm https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iconoclasm

newusertoday 3y ago

true. This whole idea of destroying things because it doesn't fit your current ideology is evil For example CPC destroyed lot of its old art dating back to BC because it wanted to remove all artifacts of old culture. They could have just given it to archaelogists of other countries who would be glad to to take it. Or the idiot islamists destorying idols like buddha's bamiyan statue because its written in some book not realizing that in buddhism there is no concept of god so buddhist don't even pray to the idol! not sure whats the point of destroying it.