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Or use an open source client without telemetry such as https://maestral.app https://maestral.app ㋡

by mikae1 4y ago

dspillett 4y ago
“On other platforms, you can install the Python package or a Docker image based on Alpine Linux” isn't going to fly for a lot of users, though maybe there is quite an overlap between people who know the details of why they might want to install it and people with the ability to.
- notpushkin 4y ago
  Other platforms being Windows? :^) That's a valid point though, I hope somebody contributes a Windows GUI at some point.
- hoistbypetard 4y ago
  If you're using Windows at this point, you must have decided that this sort of telemetry is acceptable for you. It's about the same level as the stuff you can't disable in current versions of that OS.
japanuspus 4y ago
This. Recently came back to macOS after a decade on the other side, and one surprise was how terrible the official Dropbox client was. Installed Maestral instead and it just works -- just like Dropbox used to. <begin rant>I see Dropbox as one of the biggest failures of the VC model. If only they had been bootstrapped, they would probably have stuck with their initial sync offering: A perfectly executed solution to a problem everybody has. And a small team could have made a good living here -- even with reasonably priced non-free options. Instead I imagine some VC partner convinced them to "grow their market" (or maybe "prepare for cloud"), and now they are descending into irrelevance. <end rant>
- geophile 4y ago
  Yeah, I remember when they were briefly going to solve the problem of being a universal translator of file formats. They announced this at a conference I attended and I could see the thought bubbles of everyone in the audience: What? That will fail, are you nuts?
- dunham 4y ago
  Yeah, I bailed around the time they switched to a gigantic electron app and increased the prices with no added functionality that I wanted.
- xorcist 4y ago
  Sure, but without VC money the product space wouldn't exist at all, at least not as a free service. Who doesn't want free storage? No one, that's who. See also: everything from Sourceforge to Docker Hub. Very few can complete the transition into a paid service. The important distinction is whether you sell a product or a service. Dropbox is clearly a service, but it's easy to envision a product instead. Had the user paid for storage up front, the product would be incentivized to support multiple backends to be able to compete on cost. But it doesn't, because it is the storage service that is the actual thing being sold.
  - Fatnino 4y ago
    People have been burned enough times by now that any fly-by-night that shows up promising free storage gets taken with a huge grain of salt. Why would I upload my data for you to hold for free if history shows you are going to be gone in 6 months? So to answer your question "Who doesn't want free storage?", everyone who's been burned before, that's who.
    - dns_snek 4y ago
      ...Or worse, they start mining and monetizing your personal data under the pretense of a "free" service. There's no free lunch.
- mmargerum 4y ago
  i've never had a single issue with dropbox on 3 macs in 10 years. Plenty of issues with google drive and one drive (or whatever it's newest name is).
  - mbrochh 4y ago
    Yea same. Have Dropbox on all my macs, ipads and iphones, never a single issue whatsoever.
generalizations 4y ago
Eh. Just set up syncthing. Came back to it about a year ago, and it's worked flawlessly across 5+ devices with ~8 synced folders ever since.
- m-p-3 4y ago
  I use that to sync savestates between RetroArch on mobile, desktop and laptop. no need to worry and I can resume my games wherever I am.
- jwr 4y ago
  Syncthing is indeed amazing. I've been using it for the last years, had some problems way back, but haven't seen a single issue over the last year or so.
- digital_voodoo 4y ago
  Worth mentioning that Syncthing doesn't have a cloud part, while DB does. That said, I've been running it since the very beginning, even before it became public/known, and it had never failed me so far.
  - generalizations 4y ago
    Syncthing does encrypted nodes now, so I have an encrypted laptop node running offsite; that, coupled with a mostly-on desktop pc and an always-on headless mac mini running void, and I have a 100+GB 'cloud' with syncthing. Honestly, the best way I found to prevent sync errors is to make sure there's continuity...that there's always some computer, somewhere, that's running and knows what the latest version actually is.
  - jacquesm 4y ago
    > Worth mentioning that Syncthing doesn't have a cloud part, while DB does. I see that as a huge plus for Syncthing.
- ASalazarMX 4y ago
  SyncThing, while indeed amazing and my goto for personal file sharing, might not go well with your corporate policies. An alternate program, like InSync, allows you to disable telemetry on DropBox, OneDrive and Google Drive at the same time, and is easier to justify.
fullstop 4y ago
Hey, thanks for this. I didn't know that it existed and it gets around the limits for the maximum number of devices with the official client without a paid plan. I had whatever the max number of sync'd devices + 1 before they limited the device count. It wasn't a big deal because the last device was infrequently used, but it was annoying that the terms changed.
mavam 4y ago
I wish there would be a Google Drive equivalent of this.
- prussian 4y ago
  If you're using Linux with GNOME desktop, GVFS can mount Google Drives automatically once you set your google account up in GNOME Online Accounts.
butz 4y ago
Why there's no similar alternative for ProtonDrive? Missing public API? Too secure?
rekabis 4y ago
Dangnabbit: no Windows option.

Or use an open source client without telemetry such as https://maestral.app https://maestral.app ㋡

by mikae1 4y ago

Or use an open source client without telemetry such as https://maestral.app https://maestral.app ㋡

“On other platforms, you can install the Python package or a Docker image based on Alpine Linux” isn't going to fly for a lot of users, though maybe there is quite an overlap between people who know the details of why they might want to install it and people with the ability to.

notpushkin 4y ago
Other platforms being Windows? :^) That's a valid point though, I hope somebody contributes a Windows GUI at some point.
hoistbypetard 4y ago
If you're using Windows at this point, you must have decided that this sort of telemetry is acceptable for you. It's about the same level as the stuff you can't disable in current versions of that OS.

japanuspus 4y ago

This. Recently came back to macOS after a decade on the other side, and one surprise was how terrible the official Dropbox client was. Installed Maestral instead and it just works -- just like Dropbox used to. <begin rant>I see Dropbox as one of the biggest failures of the VC model. If only they had been bootstrapped, they would probably have stuck with their initial sync offering: A perfectly executed solution to a problem everybody has. And a small team could have made a good living here -- even with reasonably priced non-free options. Instead I imagine some VC partner convinced them to "grow their market" (or maybe "prepare for cloud"), and now they are descending into irrelevance. <end rant>

geophile 4y ago
Yeah, I remember when they were briefly going to solve the problem of being a universal translator of file formats. They announced this at a conference I attended and I could see the thought bubbles of everyone in the audience: What? That will fail, are you nuts?
dunham 4y ago
Yeah, I bailed around the time they switched to a gigantic electron app and increased the prices with no added functionality that I wanted.
xorcist 4y ago
Sure, but without VC money the product space wouldn't exist at all, at least not as a free service. Who doesn't want free storage? No one, that's who. See also: everything from Sourceforge to Docker Hub. Very few can complete the transition into a paid service. The important distinction is whether you sell a product or a service. Dropbox is clearly a service, but it's easy to envision a product instead. Had the user paid for storage up front, the product would be incentivized to support multiple backends to be able to compete on cost. But it doesn't, because it is the storage service that is the actual thing being sold.
- Fatnino 4y ago
  People have been burned enough times by now that any fly-by-night that shows up promising free storage gets taken with a huge grain of salt. Why would I upload my data for you to hold for free if history shows you are going to be gone in 6 months? So to answer your question "Who doesn't want free storage?", everyone who's been burned before, that's who.
  - dns_snek 4y ago
    ...Or worse, they start mining and monetizing your personal data under the pretense of a "free" service. There's no free lunch.
mmargerum 4y ago
i've never had a single issue with dropbox on 3 macs in 10 years. Plenty of issues with google drive and one drive (or whatever it's newest name is).
- mbrochh 4y ago
  Yea same. Have Dropbox on all my macs, ipads and iphones, never a single issue whatsoever.

generalizations 4y ago

Eh. Just set up syncthing. Came back to it about a year ago, and it's worked flawlessly across 5+ devices with ~8 synced folders ever since.

m-p-3 4y ago
I use that to sync savestates between RetroArch on mobile, desktop and laptop. no need to worry and I can resume my games wherever I am.
jwr 4y ago
Syncthing is indeed amazing. I've been using it for the last years, had some problems way back, but haven't seen a single issue over the last year or so.
digital_voodoo 4y ago
Worth mentioning that Syncthing doesn't have a cloud part, while DB does. That said, I've been running it since the very beginning, even before it became public/known, and it had never failed me so far.
- generalizations 4y ago
  Syncthing does encrypted nodes now, so I have an encrypted laptop node running offsite; that, coupled with a mostly-on desktop pc and an always-on headless mac mini running void, and I have a 100+GB 'cloud' with syncthing. Honestly, the best way I found to prevent sync errors is to make sure there's continuity...that there's always some computer, somewhere, that's running and knows what the latest version actually is.
- jacquesm 4y ago
  > Worth mentioning that Syncthing doesn't have a cloud part, while DB does. I see that as a huge plus for Syncthing.
ASalazarMX 4y ago
SyncThing, while indeed amazing and my goto for personal file sharing, might not go well with your corporate policies. An alternate program, like InSync, allows you to disable telemetry on DropBox, OneDrive and Google Drive at the same time, and is easier to justify.

fullstop 4y ago

Hey, thanks for this. I didn't know that it existed and it gets around the limits for the maximum number of devices with the official client without a paid plan. I had whatever the max number of sync'd devices + 1 before they limited the device count. It wasn't a big deal because the last device was infrequently used, but it was annoying that the terms changed.

mavam 4y ago

I wish there would be a Google Drive equivalent of this.

prussian 4y ago
If you're using Linux with GNOME desktop, GVFS can mount Google Drives automatically once you set your google account up in GNOME Online Accounts.

butz 4y ago

Why there's no similar alternative for ProtonDrive? Missing public API? Too secure?

rekabis 4y ago

Dangnabbit: no Windows option.