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This has happened several times before with other services: https://bloqueios.info/en/timeline/ https://bloqueios.info/en/timeline/ Unfortunately this site ha

by schoen 4y ago

This has happened several times before with other services: https://bloqueios.info/en/timeline/ https://bloqueios.info/en/timeline/ Unfortunately this site hasn't been updated since 2016, but I don't think that's because these kinds of orders have stopped being issued. They've previously been issued on various occasions by a state judge when a company either ignores or says it can't technically comply with a subpoena or injunction in a court case, and have so far usually been overturned by Brazilian appeals courts.

matheusmoreira 4y ago
This time the DNS block was ordered directly by a supreme court judge. No one can overturn that. Also, the political scenario was different. Brazil used to at least pretend to be a democracy with a constitution and rule of law. Since then, these supreme court judges have done far worse than block some messaging service. This is literally nothing to people like them.
- schoen 4y ago
  > This time the DNS block was ordered directly by a supreme court judge. No one can overturn that. I think you're mistaken, unless there was an incredibly rapid sequence of events in this case. https://static.poder360.com.br/2023/04/decisao-telegram-grupos-neonazistas.pdf https://static.poder360.com.br/2023/04/decisao-telegram-grup... Seção Judiciária do Espírito Santo 1ª Vara Federal de Linhares [...] assinado por WELLINGTON LOPES DA SILVA That would be a first instance (trial) court, not any kind of appellate court. (Though in the Federal judiciary rather than the state judiciary.)
  - matheusmoreira 4y ago
    Yeah, looks like I'm mistaken. I think I read "federal judge" and mentally substituted supreme court. I apologize.
- cjalmeida 4y ago
  Order was issued by a trial federal judge (1a instância). Please stop spreading conspiracy misinformation.
- sofixa 4y ago
  > Brazil used to at least pretend to be a democracy with a constitution and rule of law What do you mean? Didn't they have an election that the incumbent lost (for very good reasons I might add, anyone who bungles the Covid response that bad doesn't deserve to remain in power regardless of anything else (and there was a lot of "else")) recently, implying democracy and all that?
  - matheusmoreira 4y ago
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    - RobotToaster 4y ago
      I've read similar theories that the CIA were behind Lula's original ban on running for election. I'm not saying you're wrong, I guess it's possible both are true.
      - matheusmoreira 4y ago
        Another theory I have is the CIA leaked the Jan 8 recordings to CNN. Security camera recordings that implied he and his people staged a false flag terrorist attack operation in Brasilia in order to justify censoring the internet and persecuting the opposition. They made those recordings confidential and stalled official attempts at investigation as much as possible. I actually thought they were going to just memory hole all this. Then Lula allies himself with Russia and China and openly says Ukraine was responsible for the war and that they should just cede the territory in order to have peace. In the next few days those confidential recordings are somehow "leaked" to the media and now people are literally angling to impeach him. Looks like Brazil is a country of coincidences.
        rbanffy 4y ago
        > They made those recordings confidential and stalled official attempts at investigation as much as possible. They made the recordings unavailable to Congress because several members of Congress are being investigated for their involvement. Also, it's not a legal responsibility of Congress to investigate criminal and terrorist attacks - that responsibility belongs to the police, as the responsibility to ensure the safety of the president is with the Institutional Security Cabinet, which, until recently, was stacked with Bolsonaro supporters (one was recorded serving water to intruders). It's naïve to the extreme to think the federal police doesn't have the full recordings (CNN showed a few, out of order, with selected faces blurred, including the guy serving the intruders) and hasn't had them from the start, as the first thing they'd request would be those recording (and they know how many cameras there are, and how much material they should have - running time times the number of cameras).

by schoen 4y ago

matheusmoreira 4y ago

This time the DNS block was ordered directly by a supreme court judge. No one can overturn that. Also, the political scenario was different. Brazil used to at least pretend to be a democracy with a constitution and rule of law. Since then, these supreme court judges have done far worse than block some messaging service. This is literally nothing to people like them.

schoen 4y ago
> This time the DNS block was ordered directly by a supreme court judge. No one can overturn that. I think you're mistaken, unless there was an incredibly rapid sequence of events in this case. https://static.poder360.com.br/2023/04/decisao-telegram-grupos-neonazistas.pdf https://static.poder360.com.br/2023/04/decisao-telegram-grup... Seção Judiciária do Espírito Santo 1ª Vara Federal de Linhares [...] assinado por WELLINGTON LOPES DA SILVA That would be a first instance (trial) court, not any kind of appellate court. (Though in the Federal judiciary rather than the state judiciary.)
- matheusmoreira 4y ago
  Yeah, looks like I'm mistaken. I think I read "federal judge" and mentally substituted supreme court. I apologize.
cjalmeida 4y ago
Order was issued by a trial federal judge (1a instância). Please stop spreading conspiracy misinformation.
sofixa 4y ago
> Brazil used to at least pretend to be a democracy with a constitution and rule of law What do you mean? Didn't they have an election that the incumbent lost (for very good reasons I might add, anyone who bungles the Covid response that bad doesn't deserve to remain in power regardless of anything else (and there was a lot of "else")) recently, implying democracy and all that?
- matheusmoreira 4y ago
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  - RobotToaster 4y ago
    I've read similar theories that the CIA were behind Lula's original ban on running for election. I'm not saying you're wrong, I guess it's possible both are true.
    - matheusmoreira 4y ago
      Another theory I have is the CIA leaked the Jan 8 recordings to CNN. Security camera recordings that implied he and his people staged a false flag terrorist attack operation in Brasilia in order to justify censoring the internet and persecuting the opposition. They made those recordings confidential and stalled official attempts at investigation as much as possible. I actually thought they were going to just memory hole all this. Then Lula allies himself with Russia and China and openly says Ukraine was responsible for the war and that they should just cede the territory in order to have peace. In the next few days those confidential recordings are somehow "leaked" to the media and now people are literally angling to impeach him. Looks like Brazil is a country of coincidences.
      - rbanffy 4y ago
        > They made those recordings confidential and stalled official attempts at investigation as much as possible. They made the recordings unavailable to Congress because several members of Congress are being investigated for their involvement. Also, it's not a legal responsibility of Congress to investigate criminal and terrorist attacks - that responsibility belongs to the police, as the responsibility to ensure the safety of the president is with the Institutional Security Cabinet, which, until recently, was stacked with Bolsonaro supporters (one was recorded serving water to intruders). It's naïve to the extreme to think the federal police doesn't have the full recordings (CNN showed a few, out of order, with selected faces blurred, including the guy serving the intruders) and hasn't had them from the start, as the first thing they'd request would be those recording (and they know how many cameras there are, and how much material they should have - running time times the number of cameras).