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Yeah, the "Google searchable" copy specifically is a red flag for me. Does that mean I need to let Google index my corporate conversations?

KennyBlanken 4y ago
They are positively fixated on being "google searchable" in a way that is really bizarre.
- joshxyz 4y ago
  which is a big plus for open-core companies and open-source projects. god it's HARD to search on discord.
- _cenw 4y ago
  It's because a lot of projects - not just open source (hell, my laptop manufacturer is now linking to their Discord for support) - have moved their support to Discord, and finding anything on Discord is a huge pain, even if their indexer decides to work that day.
  - holler 4y ago
    There's a different problem I'm not sure if they've addressed, namely that Google chooses what it wants to index and finds relevant, meaning it's not certain your data will be indexed.
    - _cenw 4y ago
      I think that's more down to "Google" being a stand-in for any search engine. Had they written "indexable" the intent would have been less clear.
  - anentropic 4y ago
    It's hard to express how much I dislike Discord as a user why anyone ever thought hyperactive gamer chat was the right way to offer community and support to their tech product is beyond me I also don't want it in Slack - Slack is office chat for my job, I don't want to be adding random other stuff in there Please just use a forum. Discourse seems to be the good/popular one.
    - KronisLV 4y ago
      > Please just use a forum. Discourse seems to be the good/popular one. Honestly it's a shame that forums aren't a big thing anymore. I especially loved the look and feel of systems like phpBB or SMF forum software. Just really nice readability and usability, good organization of everything and pretty limited hardware requirements. I'd argue that even better in some ways than Discourse, despite its more modern look. The only problem was that due to how they were deployed (and how many of the PHP codebases were structured), it was challenging to deal with updates and/or plugins.
    - waboremo 4y ago
      Forums are still used a lot, you would think this would result in forum software that's great, but no Discourse is a horrible experience by default. Discourse is so horrible people would rather use Discord or Reddit - that's how horrible it is.
      - anentropic 4y ago
        In what way? I think I recognise the Discourse forum software across several sites I've used (correct me if I'm wrong about any of these these someone!): - https://discuss.ocaml.org/ https://discuss.ocaml.org/ - https://forum.rescript-lang.org/ https://forum.rescript-lang.org/ - https://discuss.huggingface.co/ https://discuss.huggingface.co/ - https://socialhub.activitypub.rocks/ https://socialhub.activitypub.rocks/ - https://discuss.pytorch.org/ https://discuss.pytorch.org/ - https://forum.strapi.io/ https://forum.strapi.io/ (maybe) I don't know if it's a pain to run for maintainers or something, but as a user I have found the experience on these sites infinitely preferable to Discord
        waboremo 4y ago
        Marginally better than discord, substantially inferior to older forum software. Still a pain to get going. Thank god someone else like Linen is trying their shot at it, before Discourse kills forums by being terrible. Genuinely don’t know how you prefer it to anything, the only thing it has over Discord is being searchable, the rest is obnoxious. The giant avatar bubbles, the random large numbers thrown everywhere, hiding easy to navigate features from forums in favor of endless scrolling, list goes on.
- zamnos 4y ago
  I don't see why you'd think it's bizarre. Using Google for inbound links was practically Stack Overflow's raison d'etre. If someone searches their question, finds an answer almost immediately via a search engine (doesn't have to be Google), and never bothers your customer support agents, then both parties are better off.
- yunohn 4y ago
  That’s because they started as a static indexable host for Slack/Discord. The real-time chat features appear to be brand-new (to me atleast).
greenimpala 4y ago
100%, I just closed the tab straight away. No thanks.
zamnos 4y ago
So don't use it for corporate conversations? There's already Slack for that. Corporation's private internal communication just isn't the target market. The issue is the public side of projects that are using Slack or Discord to answer questions. Those questions have to be answered again and again by the poor employee instead of the answer being searchable (via Google, or other search engine).

KennyBlanken 4y ago

They are positively fixated on being "google searchable" in a way that is really bizarre.

joshxyz 4y ago
which is a big plus for open-core companies and open-source projects. god it's HARD to search on discord.
_cenw 4y ago
It's because a lot of projects - not just open source (hell, my laptop manufacturer is now linking to their Discord for support) - have moved their support to Discord, and finding anything on Discord is a huge pain, even if their indexer decides to work that day.
- holler 4y ago
  There's a different problem I'm not sure if they've addressed, namely that Google chooses what it wants to index and finds relevant, meaning it's not certain your data will be indexed.
  - _cenw 4y ago
    I think that's more down to "Google" being a stand-in for any search engine. Had they written "indexable" the intent would have been less clear.
- anentropic 4y ago
  It's hard to express how much I dislike Discord as a user why anyone ever thought hyperactive gamer chat was the right way to offer community and support to their tech product is beyond me I also don't want it in Slack - Slack is office chat for my job, I don't want to be adding random other stuff in there Please just use a forum. Discourse seems to be the good/popular one.
  - KronisLV 4y ago
    > Please just use a forum. Discourse seems to be the good/popular one. Honestly it's a shame that forums aren't a big thing anymore. I especially loved the look and feel of systems like phpBB or SMF forum software. Just really nice readability and usability, good organization of everything and pretty limited hardware requirements. I'd argue that even better in some ways than Discourse, despite its more modern look. The only problem was that due to how they were deployed (and how many of the PHP codebases were structured), it was challenging to deal with updates and/or plugins.
  - waboremo 4y ago
    Forums are still used a lot, you would think this would result in forum software that's great, but no Discourse is a horrible experience by default. Discourse is so horrible people would rather use Discord or Reddit - that's how horrible it is.
    - anentropic 4y ago
      In what way? I think I recognise the Discourse forum software across several sites I've used (correct me if I'm wrong about any of these these someone!): - https://discuss.ocaml.org/ https://discuss.ocaml.org/ - https://forum.rescript-lang.org/ https://forum.rescript-lang.org/ - https://discuss.huggingface.co/ https://discuss.huggingface.co/ - https://socialhub.activitypub.rocks/ https://socialhub.activitypub.rocks/ - https://discuss.pytorch.org/ https://discuss.pytorch.org/ - https://forum.strapi.io/ https://forum.strapi.io/ (maybe) I don't know if it's a pain to run for maintainers or something, but as a user I have found the experience on these sites infinitely preferable to Discord
      - waboremo 4y ago
        Marginally better than discord, substantially inferior to older forum software. Still a pain to get going. Thank god someone else like Linen is trying their shot at it, before Discourse kills forums by being terrible. Genuinely don’t know how you prefer it to anything, the only thing it has over Discord is being searchable, the rest is obnoxious. The giant avatar bubbles, the random large numbers thrown everywhere, hiding easy to navigate features from forums in favor of endless scrolling, list goes on.
zamnos 4y ago
I don't see why you'd think it's bizarre. Using Google for inbound links was practically Stack Overflow's raison d'etre. If someone searches their question, finds an answer almost immediately via a search engine (doesn't have to be Google), and never bothers your customer support agents, then both parties are better off.
yunohn 4y ago
That’s because they started as a static indexable host for Slack/Discord. The real-time chat features appear to be brand-new (to me atleast).

greenimpala 4y ago

100%, I just closed the tab straight away. No thanks.

zamnos 4y ago

So don't use it for corporate conversations? There's already Slack for that. Corporation's private internal communication just isn't the target market. The issue is the public side of projects that are using Slack or Discord to answer questions. Those questions have to be answered again and again by the poor employee instead of the answer being searchable (via Google, or other search engine).