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That surprises me. I seem to recall having read something about the difficulty Tesla had in getting their fancy screens and how much they cost. $50 for a tiny o

That surprises me. I seem to recall having read something about the difficulty Tesla had in getting their fancy screens and how much they cost. $50 for a tiny one maybe.

asdfman123 4y ago
Maybe that was just due to the supply shortage?
ummonk 4y ago
That was because there weren't any automotive grade screens of the size they wanted already being supplied to OEMs.
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zamnos 4y ago
Teslas have 17" screens, and no one made an automotive-grade one at that size, so it's no wonder they had problems sourcing it. But at scale, I could see the 7" properly automotive-grade screens being available for $50 when there are some availabile for less than that on Amazon.
- sroussey 4y ago
  They have double OLED (dual-layer it’s called sometimes) which is required for brightness? They are so expensive, they aren’t used anywhere else but automotive (rumors swirl about iPads using this some day). The LCDs with high nits are cheaper but only rectangular. One of the big issues is it working in 120 heat in the desert while sitting in the sun (particularly for convertibles).
  - sundvor 4y ago
    The Tesla screens' responsiveness and clarity is just amazing, at least on Ryzen.
  - WarOnPrivacy 4y ago
    > They have double OLED ... which is required for brightness Could this be why headlights are so blindy now, to overcome drivers' permanently impaired night vision?
hinkley 4y ago
Even my friends group thinks that Alibaba is a valid source of parts for large scale manufacturing. I've just given up on having this argument. Good luck. Part of having a working relationship with a vendor is that you can ask nicely that they don't sell your designs to competitors or market their own knockoffs. Not to mention you can call them up and say, "I need 10k extra of those next month" and they don't just laugh in your face or let it go to voicemail and pretend they never got it.
- AlotOfReading 4y ago
  Don't know how recently you've been in the market, but the days when you could do that in automotive are long gone. Now you call a supplier and they're like "I might have something in a year, maybe" or "I have a few dozen, take it or leave it". The sketchy chinese vendors and the expensive specialty vendors are the only ones with any volume left in common parts, but obviously the former lack any sort of plausible automotive qualifications and paying the latter needs higher approvals than engineers can give.
  - hinkley 4y ago
    One thing I’ve learned about vendors over a few decades of professional life and also little vignettes from my father’s job, is that most vendors only wake up when the checkbook is coming out or going back in your pocket. There’s a whole theatrical thing you have to do to be an effecting ombudsman for your company that is effective but that I resent. I think we can see the Checkbook Effect in how Apple has navigated for the last fifteen or so years. And maybe a bit of the Stanford Effect (anyone can get in if there’s a building named after their family, especially if it’s still under construction). Hey we want this part oh we might be able to make 100k a year Umm… we need at least five million Gee, sorry. What if we loaned you some money to build a new factory? Oh, uh, sure?
KptMarchewa 4y ago
That probably was years ago. Model s had that screen in 2012
post_break 4y ago
They sourced screens that could not survive the internal temperatures of cars and just rolled with it from what I remember. It was like an industrial screen not one made for automotive.
thepasswordis 4y ago
The Tesla screen is incompatible to almost everything else. It’s fast, its huge, and it looks nice. The latest design changes have been annoying, but Tesla is far and away the closest to anybody has come to a good touchscreen in a car. It’s more like using an iPad than using an infotainment system in a car.
- nixass 4y ago
  > It’s more like using an iPad than using an infotainment system in a car. And this is whole problem here, we shouldn't be doing it while driving. We're trying to solve problems that haven't existed few years ago. Touchscreens in cars in this form should just die

That surprises me. I seem to recall having read something about the difficulty Tesla had in getting their fancy screens and how much they cost. $50 for a tiny one maybe.

asdfman123 4y ago

Maybe that was just due to the supply shortage?

ummonk 4y ago

That was because there weren't any automotive grade screens of the size they wanted already being supplied to OEMs.

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zamnos 4y ago

Teslas have 17" screens, and no one made an automotive-grade one at that size, so it's no wonder they had problems sourcing it. But at scale, I could see the 7" properly automotive-grade screens being available for $50 when there are some availabile for less than that on Amazon.

sroussey 4y ago
They have double OLED (dual-layer it’s called sometimes) which is required for brightness? They are so expensive, they aren’t used anywhere else but automotive (rumors swirl about iPads using this some day). The LCDs with high nits are cheaper but only rectangular. One of the big issues is it working in 120 heat in the desert while sitting in the sun (particularly for convertibles).
- sundvor 4y ago
  The Tesla screens' responsiveness and clarity is just amazing, at least on Ryzen.
- WarOnPrivacy 4y ago
  > They have double OLED ... which is required for brightness Could this be why headlights are so blindy now, to overcome drivers' permanently impaired night vision?

hinkley 4y ago

Even my friends group thinks that Alibaba is a valid source of parts for large scale manufacturing. I've just given up on having this argument. Good luck. Part of having a working relationship with a vendor is that you can ask nicely that they don't sell your designs to competitors or market their own knockoffs. Not to mention you can call them up and say, "I need 10k extra of those next month" and they don't just laugh in your face or let it go to voicemail and pretend they never got it.

AlotOfReading 4y ago
Don't know how recently you've been in the market, but the days when you could do that in automotive are long gone. Now you call a supplier and they're like "I might have something in a year, maybe" or "I have a few dozen, take it or leave it". The sketchy chinese vendors and the expensive specialty vendors are the only ones with any volume left in common parts, but obviously the former lack any sort of plausible automotive qualifications and paying the latter needs higher approvals than engineers can give.
- hinkley 4y ago
  One thing I’ve learned about vendors over a few decades of professional life and also little vignettes from my father’s job, is that most vendors only wake up when the checkbook is coming out or going back in your pocket. There’s a whole theatrical thing you have to do to be an effecting ombudsman for your company that is effective but that I resent. I think we can see the Checkbook Effect in how Apple has navigated for the last fifteen or so years. And maybe a bit of the Stanford Effect (anyone can get in if there’s a building named after their family, especially if it’s still under construction). Hey we want this part oh we might be able to make 100k a year Umm… we need at least five million Gee, sorry. What if we loaned you some money to build a new factory? Oh, uh, sure?

KptMarchewa 4y ago

That probably was years ago. Model s had that screen in 2012

post_break 4y ago

They sourced screens that could not survive the internal temperatures of cars and just rolled with it from what I remember. It was like an industrial screen not one made for automotive.

thepasswordis 4y ago

The Tesla screen is incompatible to almost everything else. It’s fast, its huge, and it looks nice. The latest design changes have been annoying, but Tesla is far and away the closest to anybody has come to a good touchscreen in a car. It’s more like using an iPad than using an infotainment system in a car.

nixass 4y ago
> It’s more like using an iPad than using an infotainment system in a car. And this is whole problem here, we shouldn't be doing it while driving. We're trying to solve problems that haven't existed few years ago. Touchscreens in cars in this form should just die