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Via representative government. Even promoted by Lenin himself.

by mc32 4y ago

tomrod 4y ago
Thus, in your view, might-makes-right is a proper policy? Pull up the ladder before anyone else can get in the treehouse? I'm unconcerned with what Lenin thought, personally.
- mc32 4y ago
  It’s not might makes right. The people who form a government and have jurisdiction through democratic government have the right to govern and be governed according to the rules they agree upon democratically. They’re not pulling up any ladder. They made the country for themselves. Others can make their own to their own liking as well. W/re Japan, it would be overwhelmed by Chinese, if they just let anyone in. China is big and strong enough for them to take care of their own people without needing to colonize Japan.
  - tomrod 4y ago
    > The people who form a government and have jurisdiction through democratic government have the right to govern and be governed according to the rules they agree upon democratically. Which attempts to abrogate the right to free association and movement. "People vote with their feet" is a truism that applies here as well, in my view. > They made the country for themselves. When did Japan first incorporate? Long before the lifetime of the current population. > Others can make their own to their own liking as well. Where? What if three or four Japanese people want to declare an open border, making their own to their own liking? This principle falls apart. > W/re Japan, it would be overwhelmed by Chinese, if they just let anyone in. China is big and strong enough for them to take care of their own people without needing to colonize Japan. Therefore, what?
- midoridensha 4y ago
  So you're opposed to democracy then?
  - tomrod 4y ago
    Strange flex to connect right to determination and hating democracy. We live in interesting times.
    - midoridensha 4y ago
      You specifically said you don't think people should have a right to protect their own land or have any kind of self-determination, and that outsiders should be forced upon them whether they like it or not. Therefore, you're opposed to democracy and are in favor of authoritarianism. Interesting times indeed.

Via representative government. Even promoted by Lenin himself.

by mc32 4y ago

Via representative government. Even promoted by Lenin himself.

Thus, in your view, might-makes-right is a proper policy? Pull up the ladder before anyone else can get in the treehouse? I'm unconcerned with what Lenin thought, personally.

mc32 4y ago
It’s not might makes right. The people who form a government and have jurisdiction through democratic government have the right to govern and be governed according to the rules they agree upon democratically. They’re not pulling up any ladder. They made the country for themselves. Others can make their own to their own liking as well. W/re Japan, it would be overwhelmed by Chinese, if they just let anyone in. China is big and strong enough for them to take care of their own people without needing to colonize Japan.
- tomrod 4y ago
  > The people who form a government and have jurisdiction through democratic government have the right to govern and be governed according to the rules they agree upon democratically. Which attempts to abrogate the right to free association and movement. "People vote with their feet" is a truism that applies here as well, in my view. > They made the country for themselves. When did Japan first incorporate? Long before the lifetime of the current population. > Others can make their own to their own liking as well. Where? What if three or four Japanese people want to declare an open border, making their own to their own liking? This principle falls apart. > W/re Japan, it would be overwhelmed by Chinese, if they just let anyone in. China is big and strong enough for them to take care of their own people without needing to colonize Japan. Therefore, what?
midoridensha 4y ago
So you're opposed to democracy then?
- tomrod 4y ago
  Strange flex to connect right to determination and hating democracy. We live in interesting times.
  - midoridensha 4y ago
    You specifically said you don't think people should have a right to protect their own land or have any kind of self-determination, and that outsiders should be forced upon them whether they like it or not. Therefore, you're opposed to democracy and are in favor of authoritarianism. Interesting times indeed.