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To the sibling commenters: I would say no-one should be getting raped or subject to slave labor in prison... theoretically the aim even for those in "worse" pr

To the sibling commenters: I would say no-one should be getting raped or subject to slave labor in prison... theoretically the aim even for those in "worse" prisons should be to have them come out the other side able to function in society better than before, not worse.

colordrops 3y ago
That is true but the problem is that the class of people that maintain and profit off of the brutal prison pipeline are the same ones that get to go to Club Fed if they get into trouble. It's a horrible double standard.
lo_zamoyski 3y ago
> I would say no-one should be getting raped Obviously. > or subject to slave labor in prison... Why not? We're not talking chattel slavery, but penal labor. The notion that it is somehow categorically wrong to sentence someone to labor as a penalty is absurd. > theoretically the aim even for those in "worse" prisons should be to have them come out the other side able to function in society better than before, not worse. Life imprisonment does not have that as a goal for obvious reasons which shows that rehabilitation is for the sake of the offender as such. And are you claiming that punishment makes people worse? It doesn't. It facilitates rehabilitation. Proportionate penalties enable the guilty to acknowledge the gravity of their offense; without acknowledgement, there is no rehabilitation. It allows people to suffer for their guilt. When people cannot suffer for their crimes, you actually deprive them of means to pay for their evil deeds. One has an objective moral duty toward justice; an injustice left unpaid will derange the psyche of the offender. Repressed guilt is at the root of many strange disorders and behaviors. Like projection and scapegoating. Besides, rehabilitation is only one component of punishment. The other two are retribution and deterrence.
- analognoise 3y ago
  >Why not? Because it creates a financial incentive to put people in prison. Nobody should be profiting from prison labor and companies frequently do. Judges can own stock in companies that utilize prison labor, increasing sentences. It's ongoing and clearly an outrage to true justice. That's why.
  - pchangr 3y ago
    I have never thought about this. It’s a very U.S. thing to have prisons run by companies. Very interesting.. and very sad.
- kube-system 3y ago
  > > or subject to slave labor in prison... > Why not? We're not talking chattel slavery, but penal labor. The notion that it is somehow categorically wrong to sentence someone to labor as a penalty is absurd. This is a false dichotomy. Penal labor should be paid.

colordrops 3y ago

That is true but the problem is that the class of people that maintain and profit off of the brutal prison pipeline are the same ones that get to go to Club Fed if they get into trouble. It's a horrible double standard.

lo_zamoyski 3y ago

> I would say no-one should be getting raped Obviously. > or subject to slave labor in prison... Why not? We're not talking chattel slavery, but penal labor. The notion that it is somehow categorically wrong to sentence someone to labor as a penalty is absurd. > theoretically the aim even for those in "worse" prisons should be to have them come out the other side able to function in society better than before, not worse. Life imprisonment does not have that as a goal for obvious reasons which shows that rehabilitation is for the sake of the offender as such. And are you claiming that punishment makes people worse? It doesn't. It facilitates rehabilitation. Proportionate penalties enable the guilty to acknowledge the gravity of their offense; without acknowledgement, there is no rehabilitation. It allows people to suffer for their guilt. When people cannot suffer for their crimes, you actually deprive them of means to pay for their evil deeds. One has an objective moral duty toward justice; an injustice left unpaid will derange the psyche of the offender. Repressed guilt is at the root of many strange disorders and behaviors. Like projection and scapegoating. Besides, rehabilitation is only one component of punishment. The other two are retribution and deterrence.

analognoise 3y ago
>Why not? Because it creates a financial incentive to put people in prison. Nobody should be profiting from prison labor and companies frequently do. Judges can own stock in companies that utilize prison labor, increasing sentences. It's ongoing and clearly an outrage to true justice. That's why.
- pchangr 3y ago
  I have never thought about this. It’s a very U.S. thing to have prisons run by companies. Very interesting.. and very sad.
kube-system 3y ago
> > or subject to slave labor in prison... > Why not? We're not talking chattel slavery, but penal labor. The notion that it is somehow categorically wrong to sentence someone to labor as a penalty is absurd. This is a false dichotomy. Penal labor should be paid.