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I think that's supposed to be the incentive to not partake in illegal activities, e.g. defrauding your investors.

monero-xmr 3y ago
All these soft people on HN complaining the sentence isn’t harsh enough or the “prison camp is a joke”. Prison sucks and she will not have a fun time.
- root_axis 3y ago
  The response is due to the inequity with respect to the vast majority of prisoners, many of which will be raped and subject to slave labor conditions. "Prison sucks" to be sure, but compared to most people she will be getting off easy.
  - ALittleLight 3y ago
    Do you think the other inmates are all rich too?
  - pm90 3y ago
    > many of which will be raped and subject to slave labor conditions. for far leas damaging crimes is the crucial part. To be clear: I don’t support those conditions for anyone. When society meets out punishment, it shouldn’t be used as an excuse to terrorize people who are serving out their sentence. But that it happens to people who don’t even deserve it is horrifying.
    - lo_zamoyski 3y ago
      > punishment [...] shouldn’t be used as an excuse to terrorize people who are serving out their sentence Indeed, the three aims of punishment are retribution, rehabilitation, and deterrence. None of these entail malice, which itself is evil and degrades the malicious person.
      - alienicecream 3y ago
        I think the person looking for retribution has more right to decide that than you do.
- willcipriano 3y ago
  A random guy caught with a bag will have a worse time.
- femiagbabiaka 3y ago
  It is an interesting dichotomy. A 10 year sentence at any age is basically the end of your life as it existed. When you get out, you won't even have a credit score if someone wasn't managing these things for you. Most people never recover from that, some lucky ones do. But in the U.S., for many crimes, folks would not see 10 years as enough.
  - ddoolin 3y ago
    My hypothesis is that your last observation is because of the ostracization (or separation?) of those individuals from society. How many people does the average middle-class person know that have been to jail/prison for anything longer than a night? There's a real disparity between what people perceive a prison sentence and its effects as, and what it actually is. Combine that ignorance with the hard on we as a country have for imprisonment, for various reasons, and it seems like that's what you get.
    - femiagbabiaka 3y ago
      Yep I think that's right. People don't understand what a 10 year chunk of your life in hell can actually mean. Communicating that is also very difficult.
- andyferris 3y ago
  To the sibling commenters: I would say no-one should be getting raped or subject to slave labor in prison... theoretically the aim even for those in "worse" prisons should be to have them come out the other side able to function in society better than before, not worse.
  - colordrops 3y ago
    That is true but the problem is that the class of people that maintain and profit off of the brutal prison pipeline are the same ones that get to go to Club Fed if they get into trouble. It's a horrible double standard.
  - lo_zamoyski 3y ago
    > I would say no-one should be getting raped Obviously. > or subject to slave labor in prison... Why not? We're not talking chattel slavery, but penal labor. The notion that it is somehow categorically wrong to sentence someone to labor as a penalty is absurd. > theoretically the aim even for those in "worse" prisons should be to have them come out the other side able to function in society better than before, not worse. Life imprisonment does not have that as a goal for obvious reasons which shows that rehabilitation is for the sake of the offender as such. And are you claiming that punishment makes people worse? It doesn't. It facilitates rehabilitation. Proportionate penalties enable the guilty to acknowledge the gravity of their offense; without acknowledgement, there is no rehabilitation. It allows people to suffer for their guilt. When people cannot suffer for their crimes, you actually deprive them of means to pay for their evil deeds. One has an objective moral duty toward justice; an injustice left unpaid will derange the psyche of the offender. Repressed guilt is at the root of many strange disorders and behaviors. Like projection and scapegoating. Besides, rehabilitation is only one component of punishment. The other two are retribution and deterrence.
    - analognoise 3y ago
      >Why not? Because it creates a financial incentive to put people in prison. Nobody should be profiting from prison labor and companies frequently do. Judges can own stock in companies that utilize prison labor, increasing sentences. It's ongoing and clearly an outrage to true justice. That's why.
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maxerickson 3y ago
Loss of autonomy should receive a lot of weight when evaluating a punishment. Like if our goal is to actually build a better society, prison shouldn't be a lot worse than loss of autonomy. If you are going to release someone, do you want them to be in a worse state when you do that than when you took away their autonomy? Of course we are collectively deranged, so oh well.

All these soft people on HN complaining the sentence isn’t harsh enough or the “prison camp is a joke”. Prison sucks and she will not have a fun time.

root_axis 3y ago
The response is due to the inequity with respect to the vast majority of prisoners, many of which will be raped and subject to slave labor conditions. "Prison sucks" to be sure, but compared to most people she will be getting off easy.
- ALittleLight 3y ago
  Do you think the other inmates are all rich too?
- pm90 3y ago
  > many of which will be raped and subject to slave labor conditions. for far leas damaging crimes is the crucial part. To be clear: I don’t support those conditions for anyone. When society meets out punishment, it shouldn’t be used as an excuse to terrorize people who are serving out their sentence. But that it happens to people who don’t even deserve it is horrifying.
  - lo_zamoyski 3y ago
    > punishment [...] shouldn’t be used as an excuse to terrorize people who are serving out their sentence Indeed, the three aims of punishment are retribution, rehabilitation, and deterrence. None of these entail malice, which itself is evil and degrades the malicious person.
    - alienicecream 3y ago
      I think the person looking for retribution has more right to decide that than you do.
willcipriano 3y ago
A random guy caught with a bag will have a worse time.
femiagbabiaka 3y ago
It is an interesting dichotomy. A 10 year sentence at any age is basically the end of your life as it existed. When you get out, you won't even have a credit score if someone wasn't managing these things for you. Most people never recover from that, some lucky ones do. But in the U.S., for many crimes, folks would not see 10 years as enough.
- ddoolin 3y ago
  My hypothesis is that your last observation is because of the ostracization (or separation?) of those individuals from society. How many people does the average middle-class person know that have been to jail/prison for anything longer than a night? There's a real disparity between what people perceive a prison sentence and its effects as, and what it actually is. Combine that ignorance with the hard on we as a country have for imprisonment, for various reasons, and it seems like that's what you get.
  - femiagbabiaka 3y ago
    Yep I think that's right. People don't understand what a 10 year chunk of your life in hell can actually mean. Communicating that is also very difficult.
andyferris 3y ago
To the sibling commenters: I would say no-one should be getting raped or subject to slave labor in prison... theoretically the aim even for those in "worse" prisons should be to have them come out the other side able to function in society better than before, not worse.
- colordrops 3y ago
  That is true but the problem is that the class of people that maintain and profit off of the brutal prison pipeline are the same ones that get to go to Club Fed if they get into trouble. It's a horrible double standard.
- lo_zamoyski 3y ago
  > I would say no-one should be getting raped Obviously. > or subject to slave labor in prison... Why not? We're not talking chattel slavery, but penal labor. The notion that it is somehow categorically wrong to sentence someone to labor as a penalty is absurd. > theoretically the aim even for those in "worse" prisons should be to have them come out the other side able to function in society better than before, not worse. Life imprisonment does not have that as a goal for obvious reasons which shows that rehabilitation is for the sake of the offender as such. And are you claiming that punishment makes people worse? It doesn't. It facilitates rehabilitation. Proportionate penalties enable the guilty to acknowledge the gravity of their offense; without acknowledgement, there is no rehabilitation. It allows people to suffer for their guilt. When people cannot suffer for their crimes, you actually deprive them of means to pay for their evil deeds. One has an objective moral duty toward justice; an injustice left unpaid will derange the psyche of the offender. Repressed guilt is at the root of many strange disorders and behaviors. Like projection and scapegoating. Besides, rehabilitation is only one component of punishment. The other two are retribution and deterrence.
  - analognoise 3y ago
    >Why not? Because it creates a financial incentive to put people in prison. Nobody should be profiting from prison labor and companies frequently do. Judges can own stock in companies that utilize prison labor, increasing sentences. It's ongoing and clearly an outrage to true justice. That's why.
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maxerickson 3y ago

Loss of autonomy should receive a lot of weight when evaluating a punishment. Like if our goal is to actually build a better society, prison shouldn't be a lot worse than loss of autonomy. If you are going to release someone, do you want them to be in a worse state when you do that than when you took away their autonomy? Of course we are collectively deranged, so oh well.