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I dislike how bloodthirsty people are for her to serve over a decade of hard time. Lots of people serve less time than this in the US for literal murder. Reme

I dislike how bloodthirsty people are for her to serve over a decade of hard time. Lots of people serve less time than this in the US for literal murder. Remember, she was convicted only of wire-fraud against her investors - the same investors that did very little due diligence before they handed her billions of dollars.

mlyle 4y ago
> of hard time. I don't think this is a fair description and it's loaded to support your point of view. C.f. wikipedia: > Davila recommended she be incarcerated at Federal Prison Camp, Bryan, in Texas, a minimum security facility with limited or no perimeter fencing. "No one wants to get kicked out because compared to other places in the prison system, this place is heaven. If you have to go it's a good place to go," said a criminal defense lawyer.
- nostromo 4y ago
  Good. Prisons shouldn't be designed to torture people. Losing a decade of your life is not a small deal, even in a low-security prison. And the reason you get sent to minimum security prison is because you're not seen as a flight risk or as likely to be violent -- a measure she meets.
  - mlyle 4y ago
    > Good. Prisons shouldn't be designed to torture people. No one here said they should. It was just pointed out that a Federal prison camp isn't a great match for "hard time", which carries the connotation of a particularly difficult penal institution. It seems a bit loaded.
busterarm 4y ago
It's not like just some clueless investors suffered. Rich people don't face consequences like that. They just tighten their purse strings. It hits the people they employ. Plus all of that investment money would otherwise have gone to a real business and employed tens of thousands of real people for decades. Her fraudulent enterprise robbed real opportunity from real people and real businesses. Edit: Also, it's not just about eagerness to see her serve prison time. She committed serious crimes and has been given multiple opportunities to express remorse for what she has done. At each opportunity she has instead chosen to double down on her innocence. This is why we're all eager to see her serve the maximum length and quality of time.
- nostromo 4y ago
  This is a bad argument because every failed business has the same effect.
  - busterarm 4y ago
    Not at all. Trying out a business model is okay. That conveys valuable information to the market and others who might attempt the same. It might be viewed as a bad investment but it's valuable to attempt and fail. It's not stealing opportunities from people. Operating a straight up fraud is _just_ stealing from people. If you worked for a business that failed, that's not going to prevent you from getting your next job. There's no harm to you personally for having worked there. On the other hand if you worked somewhere that perpetrated a fraud, then that will actively harm your future. Also, failed businesses that attract VC money don't usually fizzle out...their IP and customer lists get acquired at a discount.
  - ulizzle 4y ago
    Every failed business isn't a fraud. Bad take.
jasonfarnon 4y ago
Al capone was convicted of tax evasion. Prosecutors knew (as in many other federal cases) that wire fraud was the easiest charge to prove, with sentences as long as they sought. You can't say much about the seriousness of the case against her based on the convictions.
harimau777 4y ago
As far as I'm concerned she is effectively a murderer. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ian_Gibbons_(biochemist) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ian_Gibbons_(biochemist)
cheeze 4y ago
And many more serve longer for drug related charges. You're comparing apples to oranges here. I'd like to see her do time, just as anyone else who isn't megawealthy would in this same situation Rules for thee, but not for me.
jjtheblunt 4y ago
Her fraud endangered the ongoing healthcare of cancer patients, famously. With no remorse very clearly. The public sentiment is based on that, not what subset of behaviors were in her conviction. Bloodthirsty was a poetic justice descriptor you chose, and it does seem to describe popular sentiment.
lewdev 4y ago
> only of wire-fraud I don't know what you know about her but did much more than that and is probably getting away with it.

mlyle 4y ago

> of hard time. I don't think this is a fair description and it's loaded to support your point of view. C.f. wikipedia: > Davila recommended she be incarcerated at Federal Prison Camp, Bryan, in Texas, a minimum security facility with limited or no perimeter fencing. "No one wants to get kicked out because compared to other places in the prison system, this place is heaven. If you have to go it's a good place to go," said a criminal defense lawyer.

nostromo 4y ago
Good. Prisons shouldn't be designed to torture people. Losing a decade of your life is not a small deal, even in a low-security prison. And the reason you get sent to minimum security prison is because you're not seen as a flight risk or as likely to be violent -- a measure she meets.
- mlyle 4y ago
  > Good. Prisons shouldn't be designed to torture people. No one here said they should. It was just pointed out that a Federal prison camp isn't a great match for "hard time", which carries the connotation of a particularly difficult penal institution. It seems a bit loaded.

busterarm 4y ago

It's not like just some clueless investors suffered. Rich people don't face consequences like that. They just tighten their purse strings. It hits the people they employ. Plus all of that investment money would otherwise have gone to a real business and employed tens of thousands of real people for decades. Her fraudulent enterprise robbed real opportunity from real people and real businesses. Edit: Also, it's not just about eagerness to see her serve prison time. She committed serious crimes and has been given multiple opportunities to express remorse for what she has done. At each opportunity she has instead chosen to double down on her innocence. This is why we're all eager to see her serve the maximum length and quality of time.

nostromo 4y ago
This is a bad argument because every failed business has the same effect.
- busterarm 4y ago
  Not at all. Trying out a business model is okay. That conveys valuable information to the market and others who might attempt the same. It might be viewed as a bad investment but it's valuable to attempt and fail. It's not stealing opportunities from people. Operating a straight up fraud is _just_ stealing from people. If you worked for a business that failed, that's not going to prevent you from getting your next job. There's no harm to you personally for having worked there. On the other hand if you worked somewhere that perpetrated a fraud, then that will actively harm your future. Also, failed businesses that attract VC money don't usually fizzle out...their IP and customer lists get acquired at a discount.
- ulizzle 4y ago
  Every failed business isn't a fraud. Bad take.

jasonfarnon 4y ago

Al capone was convicted of tax evasion. Prosecutors knew (as in many other federal cases) that wire fraud was the easiest charge to prove, with sentences as long as they sought. You can't say much about the seriousness of the case against her based on the convictions.

harimau777 4y ago

As far as I'm concerned she is effectively a murderer. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ian_Gibbons_(biochemist) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ian_Gibbons_(biochemist)

cheeze 4y ago

And many more serve longer for drug related charges. You're comparing apples to oranges here. I'd like to see her do time, just as anyone else who isn't megawealthy would in this same situation Rules for thee, but not for me.

jjtheblunt 4y ago

Her fraud endangered the ongoing healthcare of cancer patients, famously. With no remorse very clearly. The public sentiment is based on that, not what subset of behaviors were in her conviction. Bloodthirsty was a poetic justice descriptor you chose, and it does seem to describe popular sentiment.

lewdev 4y ago

> only of wire-fraud I don't know what you know about her but did much more than that and is probably getting away with it.