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Okay, sure. But we are talking now about failure to retain within the class. In the previous methods where kids actually got credit for doing the work every da

Okay, sure. But we are talking now about failure to retain within the class. In the previous methods where kids actually got credit for doing the work every day, you would have some sense that students were learning order of operations before you moved onto linear equations. You can generally build off of the ideas.

taeric 4y ago
Ish. I'm not convinced this new way will be better, but I'm open enough to the idea that it is worth a try and I'd like to see strong studies on it. Note that I do not know if said studies already exist. If they do, I'm curious to read them; but I'm not clear on how to find studies of note. I'll also ack that the latest story on phonics that was going around last week has me in a fairly antagonistic view to things. And that is its own form of unhealthy right now. :(
- legitster 4y ago
  Sure, I would just be skeptical because nearly none of these newer methods actually have any research backing. If we actually care about going off of studies than we already know that the best models for education is Direct Instruction and charter schools. But unless a hurricane literally destroys your city and you have no other option (like it did New Orleans) there is almost no political willpower to actually do it.
  - taeric 4y ago
    Many of the older methods also lack research backing. I'd be curious to see your evidence on charter schools somehow being good, as every one that I have seen is... less than compelling. Unless you completely disregard the selection bias that goes into how kids got into the school. And further disregard that many of them can refuse admission to kids.
- em-bee 4y ago
  helping students retain the lessons is the primary job of a teacher. so unless the teachers (are trained to) make an effort here, i am skeptical. well designed lessons that build on each other help too, as do opportunities to apply the learned material, and giving students an opportunity to catch up if they realize that they have difficulties with new lessons because they didn't properly get the previous one.
  - taeric 4y ago
    I'm skeptical of this framing, all told. As someone that interacts with people, it is clear that the vast majority of us do not, in fact, retain most of the information we learn.
    - em-bee 4y ago
      because much of what we learn is not reinforced through repetition and application. i want to leave open how that's done, but we can't expect students to automatically retain everything that is presented in a lesson.

taeric 4y ago

Ish. I'm not convinced this new way will be better, but I'm open enough to the idea that it is worth a try and I'd like to see strong studies on it. Note that I do not know if said studies already exist. If they do, I'm curious to read them; but I'm not clear on how to find studies of note. I'll also ack that the latest story on phonics that was going around last week has me in a fairly antagonistic view to things. And that is its own form of unhealthy right now. :(

legitster 4y ago
Sure, I would just be skeptical because nearly none of these newer methods actually have any research backing. If we actually care about going off of studies than we already know that the best models for education is Direct Instruction and charter schools. But unless a hurricane literally destroys your city and you have no other option (like it did New Orleans) there is almost no political willpower to actually do it.
- taeric 4y ago
  Many of the older methods also lack research backing. I'd be curious to see your evidence on charter schools somehow being good, as every one that I have seen is... less than compelling. Unless you completely disregard the selection bias that goes into how kids got into the school. And further disregard that many of them can refuse admission to kids.
em-bee 4y ago
helping students retain the lessons is the primary job of a teacher. so unless the teachers (are trained to) make an effort here, i am skeptical. well designed lessons that build on each other help too, as do opportunities to apply the learned material, and giving students an opportunity to catch up if they realize that they have difficulties with new lessons because they didn't properly get the previous one.
- taeric 4y ago
  I'm skeptical of this framing, all told. As someone that interacts with people, it is clear that the vast majority of us do not, in fact, retain most of the information we learn.
  - em-bee 4y ago
    because much of what we learn is not reinforced through repetition and application. i want to leave open how that's done, but we can't expect students to automatically retain everything that is presented in a lesson.