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> That being said, if you have to make vendors look like the boogeyman to win an online argument about cell phones, you're likely building a case that works equ

> That being said, if you have to make vendors look like the boogeyman to win an online argument about cell phones, you're likely building a case that works equally well against Apple. Samsung is the top/biggest Android manufacturer from everything I can find online and all the other non-Pixel phones are equally trashy (full of crapware, reskinned apps, etc). The Pixel is almost a rounding error in North America coming in at ~2% vs Samsung at ~30% and Apple at about ~54% [0]. I think it's perfectly fair to judge the OS based on the biggest install base. [0] https://gs.statcounter.com/vendor-market-share/mobile/north-america https://gs.statcounter.com/vendor-market-share/mobile/north-...

smoldesu 4y ago
> I think it's perfectly fair to judge the OS based on the biggest install base. And not the designer of the OS? I guess that's fair enough, but you should be mad at Samsung then. Google licenses Android to thousands of manufacturers, and all of them can modify it. That's a non-argument though, like I was saying. Again, you don't need a Pixel to argue in good faith here, you're just being mad at the entirely wrong party.
- joshstrange 4y ago
  Ahh, I apologize, I misunderstood the point you were making. "Android" is not to blame for "Samsung"'s implementation of it, I agree. What I was trying to say originally (and I'll admit I think we got off-track) is, more or less, that Android is not 1 "thing", it's a bunch of things and some of them are not well done (Samsung/etc) and other are better (Google) but the inconsistency taints the whole OS for me. I'm coming at this both as a user and as a developer. My iOS apps or web pages generally have a bug or they don't across all of iOS, the same is not true for Android. I pay for BrowserStack first and foremost so I can test my app on the exact make/model/OS of Android that a user has who reports an issue (or that comes from Sentry). There are differences in the iOS versions but I've rarely been bitten by that whereas I have been for Android a number of times (normally due to Samsung vs Google vs Other, even if they are all the "same" Android version).

smoldesu 4y ago

> I think it's perfectly fair to judge the OS based on the biggest install base. And not the designer of the OS? I guess that's fair enough, but you should be mad at Samsung then. Google licenses Android to thousands of manufacturers, and all of them can modify it. That's a non-argument though, like I was saying. Again, you don't need a Pixel to argue in good faith here, you're just being mad at the entirely wrong party.

joshstrange 4y ago
Ahh, I apologize, I misunderstood the point you were making. "Android" is not to blame for "Samsung"'s implementation of it, I agree. What I was trying to say originally (and I'll admit I think we got off-track) is, more or less, that Android is not 1 "thing", it's a bunch of things and some of them are not well done (Samsung/etc) and other are better (Google) but the inconsistency taints the whole OS for me. I'm coming at this both as a user and as a developer. My iOS apps or web pages generally have a bug or they don't across all of iOS, the same is not true for Android. I pay for BrowserStack first and foremost so I can test my app on the exact make/model/OS of Android that a user has who reports an issue (or that comes from Sentry). There are differences in the iOS versions but I've rarely been bitten by that whereas I have been for Android a number of times (normally due to Samsung vs Google vs Other, even if they are all the "same" Android version).