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I've been quite careful not to divulge anything confidential, and anything that is remotely close to sensitive has publicly accessible citations. My opinions ab

by brilee 3y ago

I've been quite careful not to divulge anything confidential, and anything that is remotely close to sensitive has publicly accessible citations. My opinions about Google are tantamount to discussions about workplace conditions, and it would be very bad for society if ex-employees were not allowed to discuss those.

khazhoux 3y ago
But all your opinions are informed by your years of TGIFs and internal emails and discussions and presentations and your insider perspective. When you talk about promotions, or internal values and prioritizations, you are leveraging info gained privately. If I'm wrong and nothing in your contract or on-boarding said you shouldn't talk about internals, then my bad. But I suspect they were as clear with you as they were with me, that it's not ok to post anything based on inside info. And in your opening paragraph you say: > As somebody with a unique perspective Your unique perspective was your access as an employee. > and the unique freedom to share it Your unique freedom is that you're done receiving money from them. But contractually, this doesn't matter.
- packetslave 3y ago
  Why do you care? Unless you work for Google Legal, you're in no position to scold OP about anything
  - khazhoux 3y ago
    I care because I value these Confidentiality commitments, and I believe that if someone doesn't like them, they should not sign them to begin with, rather than breaking them. A company (like any group of people) is allowed to define the culture and standards required for membership. I've worked in extremely secretive companies, and very open ones. I prefer the open ones. But I still don't say anything about internals at the secretive ones -- because that was part of the commitment I made in exchange for employment.
    - anonymouskimmer 3y ago
      From my perspective, in the most bold words I can think to phrase this: You're betraying the citizens and lawful residents of your country by not informing them of what to expect should they accept a job at one of these companies. Have fun with your 30 pieces of silver (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thirty_pieces_of_silver https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thirty_pieces_of_silver ). > and I believe that if someone doesn't like them, they should not sign them to begin with, rather than breaking them. Do you, at least, believe that confidentiality agreements should be broken if it is to make the police or public aware of a crime? How about a civil infraction, such as a hostile working environment?
      - khazhoux 3y ago
        > Do you, at least, believe that confidentiality agreements should be broken if it is to make the police or public aware of a crime? How about a civil infraction, such as a hostile working environment? Absolutely. I referenced whistleblowing in my original post above. This isn't a such a case.
        anonymouskimmer 3y ago
        Does this apply to people who infiltrate what they believe are corrupt companies with the expectation of digging up dirt, and thus sign the confidentiality agreements with the expectation of violating them? Does this apply to moral wrongs, which are technically legal (e.g. cruel conditions at animal farms)?
- activitypea 3y ago
  bootlicker lol
burningion 3y ago
It’s obvious you care about the people you worked with, and the potential for what you were building. From my perspective you wrote this for the people who couldn’t. Ignore this person.

by brilee 3y ago

khazhoux 3y ago

But all your opinions are informed by your years of TGIFs and internal emails and discussions and presentations and your insider perspective. When you talk about promotions, or internal values and prioritizations, you are leveraging info gained privately. If I'm wrong and nothing in your contract or on-boarding said you shouldn't talk about internals, then my bad. But I suspect they were as clear with you as they were with me, that it's not ok to post anything based on inside info. And in your opening paragraph you say: > As somebody with a unique perspective Your unique perspective was your access as an employee. > and the unique freedom to share it Your unique freedom is that you're done receiving money from them. But contractually, this doesn't matter.

packetslave 3y ago
Why do you care? Unless you work for Google Legal, you're in no position to scold OP about anything
- khazhoux 3y ago
  I care because I value these Confidentiality commitments, and I believe that if someone doesn't like them, they should not sign them to begin with, rather than breaking them. A company (like any group of people) is allowed to define the culture and standards required for membership. I've worked in extremely secretive companies, and very open ones. I prefer the open ones. But I still don't say anything about internals at the secretive ones -- because that was part of the commitment I made in exchange for employment.
  - anonymouskimmer 3y ago
    From my perspective, in the most bold words I can think to phrase this: You're betraying the citizens and lawful residents of your country by not informing them of what to expect should they accept a job at one of these companies. Have fun with your 30 pieces of silver (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thirty_pieces_of_silver https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thirty_pieces_of_silver ). > and I believe that if someone doesn't like them, they should not sign them to begin with, rather than breaking them. Do you, at least, believe that confidentiality agreements should be broken if it is to make the police or public aware of a crime? How about a civil infraction, such as a hostile working environment?
    - khazhoux 3y ago
      > Do you, at least, believe that confidentiality agreements should be broken if it is to make the police or public aware of a crime? How about a civil infraction, such as a hostile working environment? Absolutely. I referenced whistleblowing in my original post above. This isn't a such a case.
      - anonymouskimmer 3y ago
        Does this apply to people who infiltrate what they believe are corrupt companies with the expectation of digging up dirt, and thus sign the confidentiality agreements with the expectation of violating them? Does this apply to moral wrongs, which are technically legal (e.g. cruel conditions at animal farms)?
activitypea 3y ago
bootlicker lol

burningion 3y ago

It’s obvious you care about the people you worked with, and the potential for what you were building. From my perspective you wrote this for the people who couldn’t. Ignore this person.