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Clever Clickbait - Of course at the end of the article they offer a solution - their product (and of course it’s AI enhanced) to the problem they have overhyped

Clever Clickbait - Of course at the end of the article they offer a solution - their product (and of course it’s AI enhanced) to the problem they have overhyped.

joevandyk 3y ago
I've personally ran into the problems mentioned in the article many times, unsure it's "overhyped".
- spprashant 3y ago
  It's a problem, but not an AI problem. It has a clear cause and obvious mitigation strategies.
  - emmelaich 3y ago
    If there was a clear cause and obvious mitigation strategies then they would have been built into Postgres already.
riku_iki 3y ago
> and of course it’s AI enhanced did they mention LLM/ChatGPT?..
- BohanOT 3y ago
  I don't think so
- luhn 3y ago
  In a previous version of the article they concluded by pitching their "AI-powered cloud database tuning" product.
dang 3y ago
I asked them to take that bit out at the end and it looks like they did. General remark for startups wanting attention on HN: it's not good to end an interesting article with a call-to-action that makes your article feel like an ad. Readers who read to the end experience that as a bait-and-switch and end up feeling betrayed. What works much better is to disclose right up front what your startup is and how it's related to the article content. Once you've gotten that out of the way, the reader can then dive into the (hopefully) interesting content and end the article on a satisfying note. Btw, I have a set of notes on how to write for HN that I'm working (slowly) on turning into an essay. If anyone wants a copy, email me at hn@ycombinator.com and I'll be happy to send it. It includes the above point and a bunch more.
- eduction 3y ago
  I think it’s disturbing you asked someone to change their content and even more disturbing that they complied. You are experienced at moderating Havker News have no business being a global censor for content out in the world. This sucks. As a reader I’d have appreciated the original. And I’d appreciate a nice HN alternative.
  - dang 3y ago
    Perhaps I should explain. What I actually did was suggest that it would be in their interest to take out the bit that some readers were complaining about, because it felt like an ad at the end. Of course they were free not to follow my suggestion. I admit that's not precisely how I described it in the GP comment but it never crossed my mind that anyone would care. Commenter objections never fail to surprise! Edit: I think I was right that it was in their interest as well as all of ours, because earlier the thread was dominated by complaints like this: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35718321 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35718321 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35718172 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35718172 ... and after the change, it has been filling up with much more interesting on-topic comments. From my perspective that's a win-win-win, but YMMV.
  - vore 3y ago
    Even if they decided not to change it which is fully within their rights and somehow that gets the article moderated off the front page of Hacker News, isn't that still moderating Hacker News? No one is getting censored, just like nobody is entitled to have their article be on Hacker News.
- jerrygenser 3y ago
  There's another interesting article on front page about oauth that's actually almost exactly the same. A very long article about oauth implementation. And sadly I knew the add was coming the whole time and there it was as the last paragraph. It seems that unfortunately or fortunately some of the best really informative intermediate depth blog posts (read: not medium surface level stuff) tends to be an advert by a company offering a very technical product.
Scarbutt 3y ago
and rhetoric: So how does one work around PostgreSQL’s quirks? Well, you can spend an enormous amount of time and effort tuning it yourself. Good luck with that.
apavlo 3y ago
> Of course at the end of the article they offer a solution - their product (and of course it’s AI enhanced) We have been working on automatic database optimization using AI/ML for a decade at Carnegie Mellon University [1][2]. This is not a gimmick. Furthermore, as you can see from the many comments here, the problem is not overhyped. [1] https://db.cs.cmu.edu/projects/ottertune/ https://db.cs.cmu.edu/projects/ottertune/ [2] https://db.cs.cmu.edu/projects/noisepage/ https://db.cs.cmu.edu/projects/noisepage/
- evntdrvn 3y ago
  Is there hope of ever seeing Ottertune for MSSQL ?
- deleted 3y ago
  [deleted]
- nextaccountic 3y ago
  Okay, so, Noisepage appears to be open source https://github.com/cmu-db/noisepage/ https://github.com/cmu-db/noisepage/ But I can't find the Ottertune Github page Is any part of Ottertune open source?

Clever Clickbait - Of course at the end of the article they offer a solution - their product (and of course it’s AI enhanced) to the problem they have overhyped.

joevandyk 3y ago

I've personally ran into the problems mentioned in the article many times, unsure it's "overhyped".

spprashant 3y ago
It's a problem, but not an AI problem. It has a clear cause and obvious mitigation strategies.
- emmelaich 3y ago
  If there was a clear cause and obvious mitigation strategies then they would have been built into Postgres already.

riku_iki 3y ago

> and of course it’s AI enhanced did they mention LLM/ChatGPT?..

BohanOT 3y ago
I don't think so
luhn 3y ago
In a previous version of the article they concluded by pitching their "AI-powered cloud database tuning" product.

dang 3y ago

I asked them to take that bit out at the end and it looks like they did. General remark for startups wanting attention on HN: it's not good to end an interesting article with a call-to-action that makes your article feel like an ad. Readers who read to the end experience that as a bait-and-switch and end up feeling betrayed. What works much better is to disclose right up front what your startup is and how it's related to the article content. Once you've gotten that out of the way, the reader can then dive into the (hopefully) interesting content and end the article on a satisfying note. Btw, I have a set of notes on how to write for HN that I'm working (slowly) on turning into an essay. If anyone wants a copy, email me at hn@ycombinator.com and I'll be happy to send it. It includes the above point and a bunch more.

eduction 3y ago
I think it’s disturbing you asked someone to change their content and even more disturbing that they complied. You are experienced at moderating Havker News have no business being a global censor for content out in the world. This sucks. As a reader I’d have appreciated the original. And I’d appreciate a nice HN alternative.
- dang 3y ago
  Perhaps I should explain. What I actually did was suggest that it would be in their interest to take out the bit that some readers were complaining about, because it felt like an ad at the end. Of course they were free not to follow my suggestion. I admit that's not precisely how I described it in the GP comment but it never crossed my mind that anyone would care. Commenter objections never fail to surprise! Edit: I think I was right that it was in their interest as well as all of ours, because earlier the thread was dominated by complaints like this: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35718321 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35718321 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35718172 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35718172 ... and after the change, it has been filling up with much more interesting on-topic comments. From my perspective that's a win-win-win, but YMMV.
- vore 3y ago
  Even if they decided not to change it which is fully within their rights and somehow that gets the article moderated off the front page of Hacker News, isn't that still moderating Hacker News? No one is getting censored, just like nobody is entitled to have their article be on Hacker News.
jerrygenser 3y ago
There's another interesting article on front page about oauth that's actually almost exactly the same. A very long article about oauth implementation. And sadly I knew the add was coming the whole time and there it was as the last paragraph. It seems that unfortunately or fortunately some of the best really informative intermediate depth blog posts (read: not medium surface level stuff) tends to be an advert by a company offering a very technical product.

Scarbutt 3y ago

and rhetoric: So how does one work around PostgreSQL’s quirks? Well, you can spend an enormous amount of time and effort tuning it yourself. Good luck with that.

apavlo 3y ago

> Of course at the end of the article they offer a solution - their product (and of course it’s AI enhanced) We have been working on automatic database optimization using AI/ML for a decade at Carnegie Mellon University [1][2]. This is not a gimmick. Furthermore, as you can see from the many comments here, the problem is not overhyped. [1] https://db.cs.cmu.edu/projects/ottertune/ https://db.cs.cmu.edu/projects/ottertune/ [2] https://db.cs.cmu.edu/projects/noisepage/ https://db.cs.cmu.edu/projects/noisepage/

evntdrvn 3y ago
Is there hope of ever seeing Ottertune for MSSQL ?
deleted 3y ago
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nextaccountic 3y ago
Okay, so, Noisepage appears to be open source https://github.com/cmu-db/noisepage/ https://github.com/cmu-db/noisepage/ But I can't find the Ottertune Github page Is any part of Ottertune open source?