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Just my experience, but I think it might also be the type of users/instances. Haven't had much trouble now (perhaps my current instance blocks pleroma), but a

Just my experience, but I think it might also be the type of users/instances. Haven't had much trouble now (perhaps my current instance blocks pleroma), but a few years ago I dropped Mastodon because I was getting the same amount of attrition than on Twitter. And every time, is was a Pleroma user. I even voted on a ticket to create 'local-only' posts, because I didn't wanna handle Pleroma users...

kkklppubgdzs 3y ago
A lot of Pleroma users have different politics than Mastodon users because of the history of infighting between the developers, but this doesn't change the fact that people making stereotypes about the views of users based on the software their instance uses 1) hurts single user instances of Pleroma which are much easier to run than Mastodon and 2) makes the whole ActivityPub network more toxic and cliquish If one software type is giving you more "attrition" than the others you might be part of a clique That said I don't know why anyone would assume that the Fediverse would be better moderated than Twitter when the architecture of the protocol makes regulating "attrition" harder, not easier.
- FalconSensei 3y ago
  > If one software type is giving you more "attrition" than the others you might be part of a clique At that time, it was just the fact that I was a windows user. And once because I posted a pic of me watching anime on my TV, and someone asked how I got screenshots for posting them on mastodon/blog later. User was definitely not pleased that I mentioned I got from /r/anime discussion thread for each episode But yeah, I'm definitely part of a clique of normies that just wanna use a social network to chat with people
Zak 3y ago
If anything is going to strangle the usability of federated social networking, it's petty or indiscriminate server blocking. I just saw a popular tips account suggesting that everyone running a smaller server should block mastodon.social if it grew over 50% of the active userbase. Pleroma was the first ActivityPub server I tried running for myself. I picked it for technical reasons. I switched from it to Mastodon for UX reasons. I don't know anything about the politics of either lead developer, but I think both have crappy design decisions around how they display images by default. Of course, block anything you want on your single-user server, and any persistent sources of abusive behavior if you're running servers for other people.
- FalconSensei 3y ago
  I was just adding some extra information/personal experience to the message I was replying to - and mentioning that yeah, 6 years ago, that was my experience - that some folks block based on disagreements with developers, but others, based on their experiences with users. Same that happens in a different degree and reasons, with misskey But you seem to want to just confirm stereotypes and proclaim you used Pleroma and then be rude and put words in my mouth, so just go ahead.
  - Zak 3y ago
    I probably should have written a separate reply to the other comment that talked more about the politics of the developers. The fact that it was 6 years ago is relevant. It may well have been the case that Pleroma was an extremely strong indicator of toxicity then, but it's probably not fair to assume that today.

kkklppubgdzs 3y ago

A lot of Pleroma users have different politics than Mastodon users because of the history of infighting between the developers, but this doesn't change the fact that people making stereotypes about the views of users based on the software their instance uses 1) hurts single user instances of Pleroma which are much easier to run than Mastodon and 2) makes the whole ActivityPub network more toxic and cliquish If one software type is giving you more "attrition" than the others you might be part of a clique That said I don't know why anyone would assume that the Fediverse would be better moderated than Twitter when the architecture of the protocol makes regulating "attrition" harder, not easier.

FalconSensei 3y ago
> If one software type is giving you more "attrition" than the others you might be part of a clique At that time, it was just the fact that I was a windows user. And once because I posted a pic of me watching anime on my TV, and someone asked how I got screenshots for posting them on mastodon/blog later. User was definitely not pleased that I mentioned I got from /r/anime discussion thread for each episode But yeah, I'm definitely part of a clique of normies that just wanna use a social network to chat with people

Zak 3y ago

If anything is going to strangle the usability of federated social networking, it's petty or indiscriminate server blocking. I just saw a popular tips account suggesting that everyone running a smaller server should block mastodon.social if it grew over 50% of the active userbase. Pleroma was the first ActivityPub server I tried running for myself. I picked it for technical reasons. I switched from it to Mastodon for UX reasons. I don't know anything about the politics of either lead developer, but I think both have crappy design decisions around how they display images by default. Of course, block anything you want on your single-user server, and any persistent sources of abusive behavior if you're running servers for other people.

FalconSensei 3y ago
I was just adding some extra information/personal experience to the message I was replying to - and mentioning that yeah, 6 years ago, that was my experience - that some folks block based on disagreements with developers, but others, based on their experiences with users. Same that happens in a different degree and reasons, with misskey But you seem to want to just confirm stereotypes and proclaim you used Pleroma and then be rude and put words in my mouth, so just go ahead.
- Zak 3y ago
  I probably should have written a separate reply to the other comment that talked more about the politics of the developers. The fact that it was 6 years ago is relevant. It may well have been the case that Pleroma was an extremely strong indicator of toxicity then, but it's probably not fair to assume that today.