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The US government is competent but really, really slow, this nativism/anti-immigrant trend will disappear when we actually start falling behind China but that's

The US government is competent but really, really slow, this nativism/anti-immigrant trend will disappear when we actually start falling behind China but that's not for several years.

0l 3y ago
Last time I checked China had much lower immigration numbers than the US.
- roncesvalles 3y ago
  The unspoken subtext of immigration is that the native culture is failing. Birth rate not at replacement. Not enough educated people. All the BS described in TFA. Immigration is not just about importing people. It's about importing a culture that is better suited for the demands of your society's ambitions. On the surface it's about bringing in people but really it's about bringing in a people.
  - ForHackernews 3y ago
    > native culture Nope, America largely exterminated its native cultures hundreds of years ago. The culture that exists today is the immigrant culture of nation founded on ideas (freedom, slavery, capitalism, democracy) not bloodlines. America can be for anyone who wants to be part of that story.
- questime 3y ago
  Yeah but they have a billion more people.
itsoktocry 3y ago
>this nativism/anti-immigrant trend will disappear when we actually start falling behind China but that's not for several years. Can you explain the relationship between anti-immigration and manufacturing success? As the sibling comments says, the USA has far more immigration than, well, anywhere in the world.
- capableweb 3y ago
  > As the sibling comments says, the USA has far more immigration than, well, anywhere in the world. By total numbers, probably. As a % of population, I don't think the US comes even close to the top. Probably even Canada and other North American countries have a even higher percentage, so it doesn't even have the most in North America.
  - davemp 3y ago
    The USA currently has the its highest immigrant ratio in ~100yrs: https://www.migrationpolicy.org/programs/data-hub/charts/immigrant-population-over-time https://www.migrationpolicy.org/programs/data-hub/charts/imm... I’m not sure about that compared to other countries, but I’m also not sure why it’d be desirable to have a higher percentage. Seems like it’d be extremely risky to an existing society to even hit something like 33%
  - Bran_son 3y ago
    The USA has 15.4% foreign-born population. Compared to Asian tech powerhouses, Japan has 2%, South Korea 2.3%, and China 0.1%. And they don't grant citizenship to children of immigrants. And just eyeballing it, you'll notice most countries demographics don't radically change in the span of a generation. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sovereign_states_and_dependent_territories_by_immigrant_population https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sovereign_states_and_d...
  - 908B64B197 3y ago
    Canada's goal is something like 30% by 2035. It has 10x the US per-capita immigration quotas. And it takes less than a single electoral cycle to go from permanent resident to citizen! Unsurprisingly, the current liberal party in power is very popular among immigrant born population...
    - rstuart4133 3y ago
      Australia is already at 30%: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign-born_population_of_Australia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign-born_population_of_Aus...

The US government is competent but really, really slow, this nativism/anti-immigrant trend will disappear when we actually start falling behind China but that's not for several years.

0l 3y ago

Last time I checked China had much lower immigration numbers than the US.

roncesvalles 3y ago
The unspoken subtext of immigration is that the native culture is failing. Birth rate not at replacement. Not enough educated people. All the BS described in TFA. Immigration is not just about importing people. It's about importing a culture that is better suited for the demands of your society's ambitions. On the surface it's about bringing in people but really it's about bringing in a people.
- ForHackernews 3y ago
  > native culture Nope, America largely exterminated its native cultures hundreds of years ago. The culture that exists today is the immigrant culture of nation founded on ideas (freedom, slavery, capitalism, democracy) not bloodlines. America can be for anyone who wants to be part of that story.
questime 3y ago
Yeah but they have a billion more people.

itsoktocry 3y ago

>this nativism/anti-immigrant trend will disappear when we actually start falling behind China but that's not for several years. Can you explain the relationship between anti-immigration and manufacturing success? As the sibling comments says, the USA has far more immigration than, well, anywhere in the world.

capableweb 3y ago
> As the sibling comments says, the USA has far more immigration than, well, anywhere in the world. By total numbers, probably. As a % of population, I don't think the US comes even close to the top. Probably even Canada and other North American countries have a even higher percentage, so it doesn't even have the most in North America.
- davemp 3y ago
  The USA currently has the its highest immigrant ratio in ~100yrs: https://www.migrationpolicy.org/programs/data-hub/charts/immigrant-population-over-time https://www.migrationpolicy.org/programs/data-hub/charts/imm... I’m not sure about that compared to other countries, but I’m also not sure why it’d be desirable to have a higher percentage. Seems like it’d be extremely risky to an existing society to even hit something like 33%
- Bran_son 3y ago
  The USA has 15.4% foreign-born population. Compared to Asian tech powerhouses, Japan has 2%, South Korea 2.3%, and China 0.1%. And they don't grant citizenship to children of immigrants. And just eyeballing it, you'll notice most countries demographics don't radically change in the span of a generation. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sovereign_states_and_dependent_territories_by_immigrant_population https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sovereign_states_and_d...
- 908B64B197 3y ago
  Canada's goal is something like 30% by 2035. It has 10x the US per-capita immigration quotas. And it takes less than a single electoral cycle to go from permanent resident to citizen! Unsurprisingly, the current liberal party in power is very popular among immigrant born population...
  - rstuart4133 3y ago
    Australia is already at 30%: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign-born_population_of_Australia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign-born_population_of_Aus...