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This article is complete nonsense. It's the typical thing of someone being excited about something and being in the bubble of it, thinking it is a much bigger d

This article is complete nonsense. It's the typical thing of someone being excited about something and being in the bubble of it, thinking it is a much bigger deal than it is. The majority of people don't care about Mastodon and never will, Mastodon hasn't won, it's not even relevant.

sixQuarks 3y ago
The anti-Musk folks are the only ones that are excited about Mastodon. There are a lot of them though, so it's something I guess.
- shanebellone 3y ago
  I think Musk is a dumb man-child. Mastodon sucks too though. We should let social die. Our aggregate attention is too valuable to waste on such trivial things.
  - yjftsjthsd-h 3y ago
    > We should let social die. You know HN is a social site, right?
    - shanebellone 3y ago
      "You know HN is a social site, right?" You know we're talking about social networks, right?
      - yjftsjthsd-h 3y ago
        Sure, but like... if you want people to not use social networks, why are you here? Why are you posting here?
        cornhole34 3y ago
        hackernews is more of a news feed with a comment section than a social network
        shanebellone 3y ago
        "hackernews is more of a news feed with a comment section than a social network" The "more of... than" makes this sound less absolute. HN is not a social network. It is (probably) a public forum used to aggregate news and foster conversation.
      - alpaca128 3y ago
        How do you define social networks, then? This site here has user accounts, posts/comments, upvotes, and a profile description feature. It's 100% a communication platform/network. What's missing in your eyes?
        shanebellone 3y ago
        "What's missing in your eyes?" The network component. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_network https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_network
- Kye 3y ago
  No. Mastodon was growing, thriving, and giving people all kinds of exciting ideas long before Elon began this process.
- cubefox 3y ago
  The post says > Musk is slowly destroying Twitter Which is something you would only believe because journalists or people in your bubble repeat it over and over until it just must be true. Indeed, the early posts predicting the downfall of Twitter were associated with the large layoffs, ironically ignoring that Mastodon manages to run with just four developers.
  - k_roy 3y ago
    > Which it is something you would only believe because journalists or your bubble repeats it over and over until it just must be true. Or, you can listen to Elon basically every day. What's Twitter worth now according to him? Significantly less than half now surely. He claimed 20 billion out of the 44 billion as of exactly a month ago, and April hasn't exactly been kind to the economy. They lost almost 75% of their top 1000 advertisers. It's become a right-wing cesspool, with open bigotry commonly on display. To the point that even many right leaning moderates I know refuse to use it anymore. Not to say it was perfect before, but nowhere near this bad. > ironically ignoring that Mastodon manages to run with just four developers. And you are ironically ignoring the fact that Mastodon isn't "run" by four developers. There is no such thing as a "global Mastodon outage", or a central Mastodon authority that says blatant bigotry is disallowed. There are currently 828 contributors. And Mastodon isn't responsible for what's certainly billions in hardware and infrastructure investment as Twitter is. If I want to start a Nazi-themed hate instance that only allows white-people dressed like clowns, I can. But it will be a very silent echo chamber of myself and other like-minded bigots because no one will federate with me.
  - Hamuko 3y ago
    Or I could believe it because I've been on Twitter since 2008 and I see him constantly making changes for the worse? He's banned third-party clients, paywalled the API, made "verification" less than useless, destroyed the fact that Twitter is supposed to be a microblog, pushed algorithmic recommendation and made the algorithm pay-to-play. And those are just the things I remember off the top of my head. If I saw a full list of dumb shit he's done ever since last autumn, I could probably find even more stuff that is completely destroying the service.
johnnyballgame 3y ago
Agreed. I know of not a single person in my life who even knows what Mastodon is.
- izacus 3y ago
  Your bubble is obviously the most important one!
- incanus77 3y ago
  There were points in my career where I knew something was happening and was into certain technologies or communities: Linux, wifi, Drupal, Subversion, Apple Cocoa programming, Twitter, OpenStreetMap, the list goes on. A tiny core of people knew the potential, but 99%+ of the world didn’t know nor care what it was. There were just as many, or more, that died out, but my point is that measuring how many people have heard of a thing is not a great metric.
  - akiselev 3y ago
    > There were just as many, or more, that died out, but my point is that measuring how many people have heard of a thing is not a great metric. For a social network, it's kinda important.
jrnichols 3y ago
number of users is one thing. how many actively use it is another probably more useful metric.
cykros 3y ago
Indeed. It was neat for awhile when Twitter was censorship hell, but now that that issue has improved dramatically I haven't actually bothered using it in months.

sixQuarks 3y ago

The anti-Musk folks are the only ones that are excited about Mastodon. There are a lot of them though, so it's something I guess.

shanebellone 3y ago
I think Musk is a dumb man-child. Mastodon sucks too though. We should let social die. Our aggregate attention is too valuable to waste on such trivial things.
- yjftsjthsd-h 3y ago
  > We should let social die. You know HN is a social site, right?
  - shanebellone 3y ago
    "You know HN is a social site, right?" You know we're talking about social networks, right?
    - yjftsjthsd-h 3y ago
      Sure, but like... if you want people to not use social networks, why are you here? Why are you posting here?
      - cornhole34 3y ago
        hackernews is more of a news feed with a comment section than a social network
        shanebellone 3y ago
        "hackernews is more of a news feed with a comment section than a social network" The "more of... than" makes this sound less absolute. HN is not a social network. It is (probably) a public forum used to aggregate news and foster conversation.
    - alpaca128 3y ago
      How do you define social networks, then? This site here has user accounts, posts/comments, upvotes, and a profile description feature. It's 100% a communication platform/network. What's missing in your eyes?
      - shanebellone 3y ago
        "What's missing in your eyes?" The network component. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_network https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_network
Kye 3y ago
No. Mastodon was growing, thriving, and giving people all kinds of exciting ideas long before Elon began this process.
cubefox 3y ago
The post says > Musk is slowly destroying Twitter Which is something you would only believe because journalists or people in your bubble repeat it over and over until it just must be true. Indeed, the early posts predicting the downfall of Twitter were associated with the large layoffs, ironically ignoring that Mastodon manages to run with just four developers.
- k_roy 3y ago
  > Which it is something you would only believe because journalists or your bubble repeats it over and over until it just must be true. Or, you can listen to Elon basically every day. What's Twitter worth now according to him? Significantly less than half now surely. He claimed 20 billion out of the 44 billion as of exactly a month ago, and April hasn't exactly been kind to the economy. They lost almost 75% of their top 1000 advertisers. It's become a right-wing cesspool, with open bigotry commonly on display. To the point that even many right leaning moderates I know refuse to use it anymore. Not to say it was perfect before, but nowhere near this bad. > ironically ignoring that Mastodon manages to run with just four developers. And you are ironically ignoring the fact that Mastodon isn't "run" by four developers. There is no such thing as a "global Mastodon outage", or a central Mastodon authority that says blatant bigotry is disallowed. There are currently 828 contributors. And Mastodon isn't responsible for what's certainly billions in hardware and infrastructure investment as Twitter is. If I want to start a Nazi-themed hate instance that only allows white-people dressed like clowns, I can. But it will be a very silent echo chamber of myself and other like-minded bigots because no one will federate with me.
- Hamuko 3y ago
  Or I could believe it because I've been on Twitter since 2008 and I see him constantly making changes for the worse? He's banned third-party clients, paywalled the API, made "verification" less than useless, destroyed the fact that Twitter is supposed to be a microblog, pushed algorithmic recommendation and made the algorithm pay-to-play. And those are just the things I remember off the top of my head. If I saw a full list of dumb shit he's done ever since last autumn, I could probably find even more stuff that is completely destroying the service.

johnnyballgame 3y ago

Agreed. I know of not a single person in my life who even knows what Mastodon is.

izacus 3y ago
Your bubble is obviously the most important one!
incanus77 3y ago
There were points in my career where I knew something was happening and was into certain technologies or communities: Linux, wifi, Drupal, Subversion, Apple Cocoa programming, Twitter, OpenStreetMap, the list goes on. A tiny core of people knew the potential, but 99%+ of the world didn’t know nor care what it was. There were just as many, or more, that died out, but my point is that measuring how many people have heard of a thing is not a great metric.
- akiselev 3y ago
  > There were just as many, or more, that died out, but my point is that measuring how many people have heard of a thing is not a great metric. For a social network, it's kinda important.

jrnichols 3y ago

number of users is one thing. how many actively use it is another probably more useful metric.

cykros 3y ago

Indeed. It was neat for awhile when Twitter was censorship hell, but now that that issue has improved dramatically I haven't actually bothered using it in months.