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>The problem this time is twofold: the rise of conspiracy theorists in the Republican Party, who refuse to even acknowledge the problem, and the stranglehold th

by carlmr 4y ago

>The problem this time is twofold: the rise of conspiracy theorists in the Republican Party, who refuse to even acknowledge the problem, and the stranglehold that globalist neoliberal corporations have on the economy. Well this time it's a lot worse because not using CFCs had a comparatively small impact on the world economy, with a big payoff. There is currently no realistic path to keep somewhat decent living standards for the number of people we have, while ramping down the world economy sufficiently to battle global warming. Even if everybody turned vegan and stopped flying it wouldn't be enough.

nunobrito 4y ago
Wood was once used to power engines, then coal, then oil and in current days electricity. The sooner you move to the next stage of evolution, the more efficient you can become and better afford to preserve natural resources. What most people forget is that pollution comes from the basic need of survival and improving life quality. So you need efficiency and balance what matters for most humans. Instead of forcing everyone to become vegan and to stop flying, how about supporting the industries that create artificial meat cheaper than the real thing and airplanes that run on electricity? (both of these things already exist nowadays)
- carlmr 4y ago
  >Instead of forcing everyone to become vegan and to stop flying, how about supporting the industries that create artificial meat cheaper than the real thing and airplanes that run on electricity? I was saying everybody turning vegan and stopping flying entirely wouldn't be enough. Flying on electricity and lab grown meat still use a lot of energy compared to not having those. You're actually making my point really well. Extreme measures aren't enough, so why not do less than that? Nobody wants to give up their quality of life. Especially not sufficiently to stop climate change.
  - nunobrito 4y ago
    Now I'm confused. Are you actually advocating for the world to stop eating meat or is that one of those things people call sarcasm? Don't see a problem in using more energy. There is already nuclear power since decades, just use it.

by carlmr 4y ago

nunobrito 4y ago

Wood was once used to power engines, then coal, then oil and in current days electricity. The sooner you move to the next stage of evolution, the more efficient you can become and better afford to preserve natural resources. What most people forget is that pollution comes from the basic need of survival and improving life quality. So you need efficiency and balance what matters for most humans. Instead of forcing everyone to become vegan and to stop flying, how about supporting the industries that create artificial meat cheaper than the real thing and airplanes that run on electricity? (both of these things already exist nowadays)

carlmr 4y ago
>Instead of forcing everyone to become vegan and to stop flying, how about supporting the industries that create artificial meat cheaper than the real thing and airplanes that run on electricity? I was saying everybody turning vegan and stopping flying entirely wouldn't be enough. Flying on electricity and lab grown meat still use a lot of energy compared to not having those. You're actually making my point really well. Extreme measures aren't enough, so why not do less than that? Nobody wants to give up their quality of life. Especially not sufficiently to stop climate change.
- nunobrito 4y ago
  Now I'm confused. Are you actually advocating for the world to stop eating meat or is that one of those things people call sarcasm? Don't see a problem in using more energy. There is already nuclear power since decades, just use it.