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we gutted most of our manufacturing and outsourced it to china decades ago. we Let our entire non military manufacturing industry die on the vine so there isn't

we gutted most of our manufacturing and outsourced it to china decades ago. we Let our entire non military manufacturing industry die on the vine so there isn't much of a culture of supply chain left. blame harvard business school. The cumulative damage of their Alum to the american economy is astronomical

ApolloFortyNine 4y ago
Meh, there's been fears of imports damaging the home country's manufacturing/economy for hundreds of years. It's why tariffs have existed for ages. If the government valued manufacturing at home, they've had the tools for years to make it happen. Of course, are citizens ready to pay more than double in some cases? Not sure.
- cultofmetatron 4y ago
  > If the government valued manufacturing at home, they've had the tools for years to make it happen. agreed and thats why I emphasized non military manufacturing.
- vuln 4y ago
  > If the government valued manufacturing at home, they've had the tools for years to make it happen Well as long as we are “green washing” everything manufacturing will never return to the US. Americans would rather offshore and pollute in other countries instead of attempting to manufacture in the US while be suffocated by regulations.
Salgat 4y ago
Can we stop with this nonsense myth? The US is the second largest manufacturer in the world. Does manufacturing make up as large a share of our economy as it did in the past? No, of course not, that's a normal progression to a service economy, which is why the US is so wealthy.
- hintymad 4y ago
  > The US is the second largest manufacturer in the world The US used to the largest. I was wondering if we should stay the largest, and most importantly the best. Case in point, the average age of workers in our shipyard was more than 55. The number of shipyards in the US has been decreasing over the years. I can see how that will help us innovate on and build better and cheaper ships, for military or not. Another data point, Intel can't compete with TSMC when it comes to manufacturing chips. Plus, if the so-called "low-end" manufacturing is gone, how could we possibly train the next generation of engineers? My assumption is engineering will be like writing software, a person who can only draw boxes will not be a good software engineer, and the person could not even learn draw boxes well without years of programming experience.
hintymad 4y ago
> non military manufacturing industry die Without a booming civil manufacturing industry, how could our military industry stay competitive? There was a reason that a toilet for Airforce would cost north of $20K.

ApolloFortyNine 4y ago

Meh, there's been fears of imports damaging the home country's manufacturing/economy for hundreds of years. It's why tariffs have existed for ages. If the government valued manufacturing at home, they've had the tools for years to make it happen. Of course, are citizens ready to pay more than double in some cases? Not sure.

cultofmetatron 4y ago
> If the government valued manufacturing at home, they've had the tools for years to make it happen. agreed and thats why I emphasized non military manufacturing.
vuln 4y ago
> If the government valued manufacturing at home, they've had the tools for years to make it happen Well as long as we are “green washing” everything manufacturing will never return to the US. Americans would rather offshore and pollute in other countries instead of attempting to manufacture in the US while be suffocated by regulations.

Salgat 4y ago

Can we stop with this nonsense myth? The US is the second largest manufacturer in the world. Does manufacturing make up as large a share of our economy as it did in the past? No, of course not, that's a normal progression to a service economy, which is why the US is so wealthy.

hintymad 4y ago
> The US is the second largest manufacturer in the world The US used to the largest. I was wondering if we should stay the largest, and most importantly the best. Case in point, the average age of workers in our shipyard was more than 55. The number of shipyards in the US has been decreasing over the years. I can see how that will help us innovate on and build better and cheaper ships, for military or not. Another data point, Intel can't compete with TSMC when it comes to manufacturing chips. Plus, if the so-called "low-end" manufacturing is gone, how could we possibly train the next generation of engineers? My assumption is engineering will be like writing software, a person who can only draw boxes will not be a good software engineer, and the person could not even learn draw boxes well without years of programming experience.

hintymad 4y ago

> non military manufacturing industry die Without a booming civil manufacturing industry, how could our military industry stay competitive? There was a reason that a toilet for Airforce would cost north of $20K.