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What a weird comment. The ozone hole WAS a huge problem… and then the world banned CFCs and we fixed it. But it took years of lawsuits, journalism, and scientis

What a weird comment. The ozone hole WAS a huge problem… and then the world banned CFCs and we fixed it. But it took years of lawsuits, journalism, and scientists speaking up. Similarly, global warming is a huge problem today and threatens our future. We will fix it just like we did the ozone hole, but again it will take decades of lawsuits, science, public outcry. The problem this time is twofold: the rise of conspiracy theorists in the Republican Party, who refuse to even acknowledge the problem, and the stranglehold that globalist neoliberal corporations have on the economy. The second being what you meant in your last paragraph. It’s hard to actually address waste, overconsumption, and pollution when our economy and government is controlled by a handful of corps, who are getting better and better at greenwashing.

carlmr 3y ago
>The problem this time is twofold: the rise of conspiracy theorists in the Republican Party, who refuse to even acknowledge the problem, and the stranglehold that globalist neoliberal corporations have on the economy. Well this time it's a lot worse because not using CFCs had a comparatively small impact on the world economy, with a big payoff. There is currently no realistic path to keep somewhat decent living standards for the number of people we have, while ramping down the world economy sufficiently to battle global warming. Even if everybody turned vegan and stopped flying it wouldn't be enough.
- nunobrito 3y ago
  Wood was once used to power engines, then coal, then oil and in current days electricity. The sooner you move to the next stage of evolution, the more efficient you can become and better afford to preserve natural resources. What most people forget is that pollution comes from the basic need of survival and improving life quality. So you need efficiency and balance what matters for most humans. Instead of forcing everyone to become vegan and to stop flying, how about supporting the industries that create artificial meat cheaper than the real thing and airplanes that run on electricity? (both of these things already exist nowadays)
  - carlmr 3y ago
    >Instead of forcing everyone to become vegan and to stop flying, how about supporting the industries that create artificial meat cheaper than the real thing and airplanes that run on electricity? I was saying everybody turning vegan and stopping flying entirely wouldn't be enough. Flying on electricity and lab grown meat still use a lot of energy compared to not having those. You're actually making my point really well. Extreme measures aren't enough, so why not do less than that? Nobody wants to give up their quality of life. Especially not sufficiently to stop climate change.
    - nunobrito 3y ago
      Now I'm confused. Are you actually advocating for the world to stop eating meat or is that one of those things people call sarcasm? Don't see a problem in using more energy. There is already nuclear power since decades, just use it.

carlmr 3y ago

>The problem this time is twofold: the rise of conspiracy theorists in the Republican Party, who refuse to even acknowledge the problem, and the stranglehold that globalist neoliberal corporations have on the economy. Well this time it's a lot worse because not using CFCs had a comparatively small impact on the world economy, with a big payoff. There is currently no realistic path to keep somewhat decent living standards for the number of people we have, while ramping down the world economy sufficiently to battle global warming. Even if everybody turned vegan and stopped flying it wouldn't be enough.

nunobrito 3y ago
Wood was once used to power engines, then coal, then oil and in current days electricity. The sooner you move to the next stage of evolution, the more efficient you can become and better afford to preserve natural resources. What most people forget is that pollution comes from the basic need of survival and improving life quality. So you need efficiency and balance what matters for most humans. Instead of forcing everyone to become vegan and to stop flying, how about supporting the industries that create artificial meat cheaper than the real thing and airplanes that run on electricity? (both of these things already exist nowadays)
- carlmr 3y ago
  >Instead of forcing everyone to become vegan and to stop flying, how about supporting the industries that create artificial meat cheaper than the real thing and airplanes that run on electricity? I was saying everybody turning vegan and stopping flying entirely wouldn't be enough. Flying on electricity and lab grown meat still use a lot of energy compared to not having those. You're actually making my point really well. Extreme measures aren't enough, so why not do less than that? Nobody wants to give up their quality of life. Especially not sufficiently to stop climate change.
  - nunobrito 3y ago
    Now I'm confused. Are you actually advocating for the world to stop eating meat or is that one of those things people call sarcasm? Don't see a problem in using more energy. There is already nuclear power since decades, just use it.