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Sorry but I don't see that as them not showing interest in working with others at all. There is a NaCL plugin for firefox written by Google, in both case the sp

by nkassis 15y ago

Sorry but I don't see that as them not showing interest in working with others at all. There is a NaCL plugin for firefox written by Google, in both case the specs a open and the code in WebKit is open source. They can't force others into using their stuff. They've been proactive in taking in Firefox's new tech like WebGL and they killed their own effort (O3D) in the process(I depended on O3D for one of my work projects but they did make the transition pretty painless by rewritting O3D's api on top of WebGL). There are many more examples.

ootachi 15y ago
First of all, NaCl is now Pepper-only, so it is no longer compatible with Firefox. Firefox uses the NPAPI, not the Pepper API. Pepper is itself an instance of Google not showing interest in working with the other browser manufacturers. The other browser manufacturers considered it unnecessary to add two incompatible plugin APIs when the NPAPI already exists and could just be extended. Second, the position of every other browser manufacturer is that NaCl is undesirable because (a) it's not compatible with JavaScript, so it requires another language runtime and (b) that it locks the Web into x86 and ARM. As bzbarsky of Mozilla posted here [1], if Google had made and pushed NaCl a decade ago, the iPhone would be unable to browse the web. Google ignored the other browser manufacturers' concerns and are now pushing NaCl to gain a competitive advantage. [1]: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3391747 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3391747
- nkassis 15y ago
  I appreciate your reply. As far as the Pepper API my understanding is that it was an extension to NPAPI to improve it, not an attempt at creating an incompatible API. I can't find any source on why Mozilla decided to not use it. From the Pepper wikipedia page it looks like some of the goal of Pepper would be very useful to every browser.

by nkassis 15y ago

ootachi 15y ago

First of all, NaCl is now Pepper-only, so it is no longer compatible with Firefox. Firefox uses the NPAPI, not the Pepper API. Pepper is itself an instance of Google not showing interest in working with the other browser manufacturers. The other browser manufacturers considered it unnecessary to add two incompatible plugin APIs when the NPAPI already exists and could just be extended. Second, the position of every other browser manufacturer is that NaCl is undesirable because (a) it's not compatible with JavaScript, so it requires another language runtime and (b) that it locks the Web into x86 and ARM. As bzbarsky of Mozilla posted here [1], if Google had made and pushed NaCl a decade ago, the iPhone would be unable to browse the web. Google ignored the other browser manufacturers' concerns and are now pushing NaCl to gain a competitive advantage. [1]: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3391747 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3391747

nkassis 15y ago
I appreciate your reply. As far as the Pepper API my understanding is that it was an extension to NPAPI to improve it, not an attempt at creating an incompatible API. I can't find any source on why Mozilla decided to not use it. From the Pepper wikipedia page it looks like some of the goal of Pepper would be very useful to every browser.