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Yes, Musk said that in 2016. In 2016, Uber predicted it was just a few years away.[0] In 2012, Google predicted driverless cars for all by 2017.[1] In 2015,

Yes, Musk said that in 2016. In 2016, Uber predicted it was just a few years away.[0] In 2012, Google predicted driverless cars for all by 2017.[1] In 2015, BMW predicted we'd have driverless cars by 2020.[2] In 2016, industry analysts and self driving experts predicted 2019.[3] [0] https://www.businessinsider.com/travis-kalanick-interview-on-self-driving-cars-future-driver-jobs-2016-8 https://www.businessinsider.com/travis-kalanick-interview-on... [1] https://www.theregister.com/2012/09/25/google_automatic_cars_legal https://www.theregister.com/2012/09/25/google_automatic_cars... [2] https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2015/sep/13/self-driving-cars-bmw-google-2020-driving https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2015/sep/13/self-driv... [3] https://www.businessinsider.com/report-10-million-self-driving-cars-will-be-on-the-road-by-2020-2015-5-6 https://www.businessinsider.com/report-10-million-self-drivi...

ra7 4y ago
The difference is they didn’t take money from customers to deliver a promise at a future date.
- simondotau 4y ago
  Companies make claims about the future for many reasons, not all of which involve direct cash payment from customers. BMW wanted press coverage that showed them as on the pulse of advanced technology. Perception influences brand associations and car purchase decisions.
  - ra7 4y ago
    It's not the same as repeatedly promising delivery of the feature — one of the hardest technological problems being worked on — year after year, while continuing to take money from customers for said feature. Not to mention gaining a ton of positive coverage for the company that enables sales and stock appreciation.
  - clouddrover 4y ago
    > Companies make claims about the future for many reasons Here is Tesla lying about the FSD capabilities of the cars they were putting on the road in 2016: https://www.tesla.com/blog/all-tesla-cars-being-produced-now-have-full-self-driving-hardware https://www.tesla.com/blog/all-tesla-cars-being-produced-now... Show me a similar lie from another car company about their production vehicles.
jjoonathan 4y ago
In 1966, MIT predicted that computer vision was a summer intern sized project, but it actually took an entire academic field and 50 years. [1] https://dspace.mit.edu/handle/1721.1/6125 https://dspace.mit.edu/handle/1721.1/6125
- UncleEntity 4y ago
  Umm, no. They had a project to use summer workers on different tasks in a “reasonably coordinated” way. And to produce a “simple system” useful for further work. Funny what you learn if you actually read the links you post… I know, bad form to suggest people don’t read the links they post in their astroturfing sessions.

ra7 4y ago

The difference is they didn’t take money from customers to deliver a promise at a future date.

simondotau 4y ago
Companies make claims about the future for many reasons, not all of which involve direct cash payment from customers. BMW wanted press coverage that showed them as on the pulse of advanced technology. Perception influences brand associations and car purchase decisions.
- ra7 4y ago
  It's not the same as repeatedly promising delivery of the feature — one of the hardest technological problems being worked on — year after year, while continuing to take money from customers for said feature. Not to mention gaining a ton of positive coverage for the company that enables sales and stock appreciation.
- clouddrover 4y ago
  > Companies make claims about the future for many reasons Here is Tesla lying about the FSD capabilities of the cars they were putting on the road in 2016: https://www.tesla.com/blog/all-tesla-cars-being-produced-now-have-full-self-driving-hardware https://www.tesla.com/blog/all-tesla-cars-being-produced-now... Show me a similar lie from another car company about their production vehicles.

jjoonathan 4y ago

In 1966, MIT predicted that computer vision was a summer intern sized project, but it actually took an entire academic field and 50 years. [1] https://dspace.mit.edu/handle/1721.1/6125 https://dspace.mit.edu/handle/1721.1/6125

UncleEntity 4y ago
Umm, no. They had a project to use summer workers on different tasks in a “reasonably coordinated” way. And to produce a “simple system” useful for further work. Funny what you learn if you actually read the links you post… I know, bad form to suggest people don’t read the links they post in their astroturfing sessions.