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Then it should be safe for me to say that I've noticed transmen are less assertive and aggressive than transwomen, and that this tracks with all the research, i

Then it should be safe for me to say that I've noticed transmen are less assertive and aggressive than transwomen, and that this tracks with all the research, including crime statistics, showing that human males are more aggressive than human females.

fauxpause_ 3y ago
Seems unlikely to me that you’ve personally spent enough time with transgender people and with a large enough sample to justify having an opinion that generalizes across them if you’re so eager to share this opinion. Are you making a good faith comment?
- stametseater 3y ago
  > Are you making a good faith comment? You have posed this as a question. My answer is yes. But perhaps you don't really mean it as a question, and instead mean it to solicit others to flag my comment to silence my point of view. Is that the case? If so, then logicalmonster was right. I have spent the past 15 years working in tech in an American west coast city, I have personally known several transgender people in professional and social contexts, and encountered many more. I have also known or encountered innumerable cisgendered men and women. From these experiences, I have concluded that cisgender men are more dangerous than cisgender women, more quick to anger, more prone to aggressive posturing and certainly more prone to physical assault. Do you doubt these observations as well? Will you allow me the ability to conclude anything from my personal experiences, or do you demand that I perform rigorous scientific studies to conclude anything of this sort? I am telling you, in good faith, that it has been my personal observation that I should be wary of cisgendered men and transwomen. Because although both are usually not violent, both exhibit a predilection for aggression that significantly exceeds what I have come to expect from cisgendered women and transmen.
  - fauxpause_ 3y ago
    I’m asking if it’s good faith because it feels like it cannot possibly be. You can have any opinion you like, but it’s kind of pointless to think that your small experiences are sufficient to generalize. on top of that, I feel like you’re probably just making up your anecdata or exaggerating the size of it to justify your desire to state an opinion you know other people will not like. I don’t really care what your opinion is either way. But your experiences are about as valuable as my grandparents’ experience with “the Blacks”. No, you don’t need to conduct a study to state your opinions. But at the same time, your opinion is meaningless, and it’s not “silencing conversation” to acknowledge that and end the discussion there. But let’s have it anyway. I don’t have any opinion on whether transwomen are more aggressive than cisgendered women. If I had to guess, yeah, they probably are? Why does that matter?
    - Chris2048 3y ago
      > your opinion is meaningless Given they claimed, at least, to have personal xp on the matter then why is it meaningless? Care to back up these statements?: > it feels like it cannot possibly be > I feel like you’re probably just making up your anecdata or exaggerating the size of it > your experiences are about as valuable as my grandparents’ experience with “the Blacks” That last one is clearly a reference to racism, so what are you accusing? surely not that you don't care either way? > it’s not “silencing conversation” to acknowledge but dog whistles and insinuations intended to attract flags do. > Why does that matter? Maybe have a conversation and find out?
      - fauxpause_ 3y ago
        > Given they claimed, at least, to have personal xp on the matter then why is it meaningless? Because personal experience is highly unlikely to amount to enough evidence to make a claim that anyone should feel comfortable generalizing to a population of humans. Positive or negative. > Maybe have a conversation and find out? My dude, I literally said “let’s have [a discussion]” and posed the exact question you are quoting to invite a conversation.
        3y ago
  - badtrain 3y ago
    Agreed, and one can observe exactly the same dynamic in trans-only spaces. Indeed, it would be very unexpected if males donning feminine attire had any correlation with them acting less aggressively, compared to females.

fauxpause_ 3y ago

Seems unlikely to me that you’ve personally spent enough time with transgender people and with a large enough sample to justify having an opinion that generalizes across them if you’re so eager to share this opinion. Are you making a good faith comment?

stametseater 3y ago
> Are you making a good faith comment? You have posed this as a question. My answer is yes. But perhaps you don't really mean it as a question, and instead mean it to solicit others to flag my comment to silence my point of view. Is that the case? If so, then logicalmonster was right. I have spent the past 15 years working in tech in an American west coast city, I have personally known several transgender people in professional and social contexts, and encountered many more. I have also known or encountered innumerable cisgendered men and women. From these experiences, I have concluded that cisgender men are more dangerous than cisgender women, more quick to anger, more prone to aggressive posturing and certainly more prone to physical assault. Do you doubt these observations as well? Will you allow me the ability to conclude anything from my personal experiences, or do you demand that I perform rigorous scientific studies to conclude anything of this sort? I am telling you, in good faith, that it has been my personal observation that I should be wary of cisgendered men and transwomen. Because although both are usually not violent, both exhibit a predilection for aggression that significantly exceeds what I have come to expect from cisgendered women and transmen.
- fauxpause_ 3y ago
  I’m asking if it’s good faith because it feels like it cannot possibly be. You can have any opinion you like, but it’s kind of pointless to think that your small experiences are sufficient to generalize. on top of that, I feel like you’re probably just making up your anecdata or exaggerating the size of it to justify your desire to state an opinion you know other people will not like. I don’t really care what your opinion is either way. But your experiences are about as valuable as my grandparents’ experience with “the Blacks”. No, you don’t need to conduct a study to state your opinions. But at the same time, your opinion is meaningless, and it’s not “silencing conversation” to acknowledge that and end the discussion there. But let’s have it anyway. I don’t have any opinion on whether transwomen are more aggressive than cisgendered women. If I had to guess, yeah, they probably are? Why does that matter?
  - Chris2048 3y ago
    > your opinion is meaningless Given they claimed, at least, to have personal xp on the matter then why is it meaningless? Care to back up these statements?: > it feels like it cannot possibly be > I feel like you’re probably just making up your anecdata or exaggerating the size of it > your experiences are about as valuable as my grandparents’ experience with “the Blacks” That last one is clearly a reference to racism, so what are you accusing? surely not that you don't care either way? > it’s not “silencing conversation” to acknowledge but dog whistles and insinuations intended to attract flags do. > Why does that matter? Maybe have a conversation and find out?
    - fauxpause_ 3y ago
      > Given they claimed, at least, to have personal xp on the matter then why is it meaningless? Because personal experience is highly unlikely to amount to enough evidence to make a claim that anyone should feel comfortable generalizing to a population of humans. Positive or negative. > Maybe have a conversation and find out? My dude, I literally said “let’s have [a discussion]” and posed the exact question you are quoting to invite a conversation.
      - 3y ago
- badtrain 3y ago
  Agreed, and one can observe exactly the same dynamic in trans-only spaces. Indeed, it would be very unexpected if males donning feminine attire had any correlation with them acting less aggressively, compared to females.