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> Tesla — time to accept this gauntlet. Provide real data, comparing the same thing in the same situation. Do other manufacturers provide the granular data bei

> Tesla — time to accept this gauntlet. Provide real data, comparing the same thing in the same situation. Do other manufacturers provide the granular data being requested here? This feels like someone looking for a reason to single Tesla out, for obvious reasons: Tesla headlines get clicks.

tsunamifury 4y ago
Other fsd companies don’t give their beta software to drivers and say “lol let’s find out what happens” Jeeze is this so hard to understand? I live in pac heights where waze and others are fully driverless now and I am less scared of them than a Tesla with a driver in it today.
- steveBK123 4y ago
  Yes. And the problem is that a lot of Tesla pumpers hold two contradictory positions in the forums, along the lines of: * It's perfectly safe, there's a human in charge * Any crazy stuff the human prevents it from doing, the human intervened too early so we don't really know that the car was going to follow through on the crazy thing It's too "uncanny valley" of how much rope you are supposed to give FSD. All crashes are the humans fault. The low number of crashes is purely FSD and has nothing to do with the driver heroics of preventing it from doing a dozen stupid things per drive.
- cptcobalt 4y ago
  Wait isn't that exactly what's happening where you live? Cruise and Waymo are putting passengers in cars without drivers in the driver seat, and there is no shortage of well-reported situations where those cars have caused issues in the city—blocking roads, crashing into buses, etc. (Also, I don't believe Waze is operating self driving vehicles, but I am charitably understanding that you likely mean Waymo & Cruise.)
  - rootusrootus 4y ago
    Cruise, Waymo, and now Mercedes offer some level of self-driving where they have the liability. Tesla has no legitimate claim to any kind of FSD at all until they pick up the liability while it's in control. Zero.
  - tsunamifury 4y ago
    Except, they work.

tsunamifury 4y ago

Other fsd companies don’t give their beta software to drivers and say “lol let’s find out what happens” Jeeze is this so hard to understand? I live in pac heights where waze and others are fully driverless now and I am less scared of them than a Tesla with a driver in it today.

steveBK123 4y ago
Yes. And the problem is that a lot of Tesla pumpers hold two contradictory positions in the forums, along the lines of: * It's perfectly safe, there's a human in charge * Any crazy stuff the human prevents it from doing, the human intervened too early so we don't really know that the car was going to follow through on the crazy thing It's too "uncanny valley" of how much rope you are supposed to give FSD. All crashes are the humans fault. The low number of crashes is purely FSD and has nothing to do with the driver heroics of preventing it from doing a dozen stupid things per drive.
cptcobalt 4y ago
Wait isn't that exactly what's happening where you live? Cruise and Waymo are putting passengers in cars without drivers in the driver seat, and there is no shortage of well-reported situations where those cars have caused issues in the city—blocking roads, crashing into buses, etc. (Also, I don't believe Waze is operating self driving vehicles, but I am charitably understanding that you likely mean Waymo & Cruise.)
- rootusrootus 4y ago
  Cruise, Waymo, and now Mercedes offer some level of self-driving where they have the liability. Tesla has no legitimate claim to any kind of FSD at all until they pick up the liability while it's in control. Zero.
- tsunamifury 4y ago
  Except, they work.