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> People will probably always eat a lot of cow, This is probably not true, vegan meat is progressing very fast (and once it matures has the potential to be muc

> People will probably always eat a lot of cow, This is probably not true, vegan meat is progressing very fast (and once it matures has the potential to be much cheaper) and lowering the consumption of meat is important to reduce carbon emissions. I expect that demand for meat will sharply shrink in the next century

psychphysic 4y ago
Cheap nutrient and tasty vegan "meat" would probably be the most important innovation for civilization going forwards. Even Star Trek writers didn't seem to think replicator food would be as good as livestock shows it's significance
dantyti 4y ago
tl;dr: Reducing meat consumption should not rely on meat substitutes, it's a losing game. It's much better to explore alternative vegan dishes than to expect plant-based or lab-grown products to replace something that the average westerner consumes almost every day. I have reduced my meat and dairy consumption by well over 90% and I'd say that vegan meat substitutes are the worst option for people looking to reduce (or eliminate) meat consumption long term in terms of taste, texture, nutrition, climate impact (due to food processing) etc. At best, you get a 'passable' substitute when you could be having a delicious and nutritious meal instead. You wont ever get the taste and texture of a prime cut, cooked chicken skin, bacon or anything of the sort – so why bother? There are countless great vegan dishes that leave you fully satiated and won't bore you like textured plant proteins (TPP) would if you ate them every other day. Drastically reducing meat consumption required a change of habit and the way our family looked at food. If we ate meat/poultry every day, we couldn't rely on meat substitutes (aside from vat-grown meat, I guess), because you cannot really substitute the variety of cuts, fat to lean meat ratios, cooking versatility, organs (from pig ears to duck liver and beyond) that people consume. I found that consuming different types of TPP seven times a week, made me much more likely to throw in the towel well before someone who expanded their protein sources to chickpea (humus, falaffel), soy (tofu, tempeh), nuts (peanut and almond flour/butter), ate more mushrooms for the meaty flavor etc. Eliminating cheese from my diet was the hardest part for me. I am not holding my breath for passable vegan cheese substitutes to appear any time soon. Now, I'd say nutritional yeast and peanut butter scratch the itch for basic fermented cheese for me. To be fair, there is one meat substitute that I actually like – tofu spreads beat most liver pâtés. What I do is just blend some tofu with caramelized onions and nutritional yeast, add soy sauce or salt.
- blargey 4y ago
  I assumed they’re referring to “lab grown” meat, not veggie burgers and the like. Literal “vegan meat”, which if successful would put an end to large scale animal farming/fishing, without requiring any change in dietary and culinary habits. The tech is still in its infancy, but it still seems to be moving steadily towards commercialization (I think I saw a post about such fish meat today)
waste_monk 4y ago
I am not convinced. Until recently I lived with a vegetarian and have been compelled to try most of the meat alternatives available in my market - none have been a convincing replacement for real meat, or compelling by their own merits. The only way I can see this happening is placing a ban on people born after a certain date from purchasing meat, similar to New Zealand's ban on anyone born from 2009 onwards purchasing tobacco. Besides, the worldwide consumption of cattle is somewhere around 300 million per year [1] - if we aren't eating them to keep their numbers down the land will soon be overrun by a tide of beef. [1] https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2019/02/chart-of-the-day-this-is-how-many-animals-we-eat-each-year/ https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2019/02/chart-of-the-day-this...

psychphysic 4y ago

Cheap nutrient and tasty vegan "meat" would probably be the most important innovation for civilization going forwards. Even Star Trek writers didn't seem to think replicator food would be as good as livestock shows it's significance

dantyti 4y ago

tl;dr: Reducing meat consumption should not rely on meat substitutes, it's a losing game. It's much better to explore alternative vegan dishes than to expect plant-based or lab-grown products to replace something that the average westerner consumes almost every day. I have reduced my meat and dairy consumption by well over 90% and I'd say that vegan meat substitutes are the worst option for people looking to reduce (or eliminate) meat consumption long term in terms of taste, texture, nutrition, climate impact (due to food processing) etc. At best, you get a 'passable' substitute when you could be having a delicious and nutritious meal instead. You wont ever get the taste and texture of a prime cut, cooked chicken skin, bacon or anything of the sort – so why bother? There are countless great vegan dishes that leave you fully satiated and won't bore you like textured plant proteins (TPP) would if you ate them every other day. Drastically reducing meat consumption required a change of habit and the way our family looked at food. If we ate meat/poultry every day, we couldn't rely on meat substitutes (aside from vat-grown meat, I guess), because you cannot really substitute the variety of cuts, fat to lean meat ratios, cooking versatility, organs (from pig ears to duck liver and beyond) that people consume. I found that consuming different types of TPP seven times a week, made me much more likely to throw in the towel well before someone who expanded their protein sources to chickpea (humus, falaffel), soy (tofu, tempeh), nuts (peanut and almond flour/butter), ate more mushrooms for the meaty flavor etc. Eliminating cheese from my diet was the hardest part for me. I am not holding my breath for passable vegan cheese substitutes to appear any time soon. Now, I'd say nutritional yeast and peanut butter scratch the itch for basic fermented cheese for me. To be fair, there is one meat substitute that I actually like – tofu spreads beat most liver pâtés. What I do is just blend some tofu with caramelized onions and nutritional yeast, add soy sauce or salt.

blargey 4y ago
I assumed they’re referring to “lab grown” meat, not veggie burgers and the like. Literal “vegan meat”, which if successful would put an end to large scale animal farming/fishing, without requiring any change in dietary and culinary habits. The tech is still in its infancy, but it still seems to be moving steadily towards commercialization (I think I saw a post about such fish meat today)

waste_monk 4y ago

I am not convinced. Until recently I lived with a vegetarian and have been compelled to try most of the meat alternatives available in my market - none have been a convincing replacement for real meat, or compelling by their own merits. The only way I can see this happening is placing a ban on people born after a certain date from purchasing meat, similar to New Zealand's ban on anyone born from 2009 onwards purchasing tobacco. Besides, the worldwide consumption of cattle is somewhere around 300 million per year [1] - if we aren't eating them to keep their numbers down the land will soon be overrun by a tide of beef. [1] https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2019/02/chart-of-the-day-this-is-how-many-animals-we-eat-each-year/ https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2019/02/chart-of-the-day-this...