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NNs are basically working as a kind of laundromat for digital artifacts. They replace a single copy operation with a multiple transform operations all leading t
by Yizahi 4y ago
NNs are basically working as a kind of laundromat for digital artifacts. They replace a single copy operation with a multiple transform operations all leading to the same intended result. I wonder how soon we would see NNs which can produce bit perfect copy of the trained dataset on demand. And after that where will we draw the line? Imagine a NN which produces bit perfect copy of the image and then changes 1 pixel in it to make it different. Is it an original art? No? Well, what if we change 2 pixels then? Still not original? What about 3 pixels?..
The amount of popcorn to be consumed watching all these fancy new legal battles will be astronomical :)
- Kim_Bruning 4y agoI'm not sure about bit perfect, but very similar images has already happened at times, is considered a bug, and newer models do their utmost best to avoid it. These days -under normal circumstances- it is highly unlikely to occur. Either way the actual model(s) themselves don't actually store images. (A single SD model based off of (among other things) LAION fits on a single USB stick. AFAICT It takes up several orders less space than the LAION URL LIST, let alone the images themselves )
- Yizahi 4y agoYes, I read the PR statements about recent NNs. But what if some new company did it intentionally? So for example, starting from today: - Currently NNs are in a grey legal area all over the world because nobody knows if so called "training" is a copying or a fair use. - Lets imagine that NN corpos would win and legalize all NN training as fair use, disregarding any copyrights. - Now this hypothetical company appears which has a NN producing copies of original training data on demand. When confronted with a question they simply wave it away saying that all "training" of NNs is legal, so they aren't breaking any law. And when perfect copies start to annoy too many people they fine tune their model to produce almost perfect copies. Because there is no definitive line in the art separating a copy from original art.
- shultays 4y agoWhat if a company used those NNs to train kill bots and used them to kill children? Can somebody please think of the children here?!
- Yizahi 4y agoMaybe I was not clear enough, I'll try to rephrase. I'm not fearmongering against NNs (at least in this particular thread), here I just assume they exist and there is not much we can do about them. But what I do discuss is - because of the complete absence of legal definition of the "training" process, a lot of different situation can arise, sometimes even dangerous (legally) to the NN corpos themselves.