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our entire culture revolves around pushing women into the workforce instead of encouraging them to have children its nice to have more people participating in
by stainablesteel 4y ago
our entire culture revolves around pushing women into the workforce instead of encouraging them to have children
its nice to have more people participating in the economy but why should their most fertile years be spent getting bureaucratic requirements just so they can struggle to find a job that gives them maternity leave? if that's what they want that's one thing, but they aren't really offered any other choice
i want a serious quality of life study on women who chose to have kids at 20 vs having no kids at 30, we're doing things wrong and its only going to be a more painful realization because population collapse is exponential, not linear
- ninkendo 4y ago> if that's what they want that's one thing, but they aren't really offered any other choice I was with you until here… how is it they are not given a choice? If a woman wants to have children instead of entering the workforce, what exactly is stopping her from doing that?
- pjc50 4y agoOne of those pays you money and the other one doesn't.
- tivert 4y ago> I was with you until here… how is it they are not given a choice? If a woman wants to have children instead of entering the workforce, what exactly is stopping her from doing that? Economics. If all the other women are part of two-income households, they will inflate the cost of certain essential goods (like housing) out of reach from a single-income family. Ultimately, the shift to dual incomes will probably pay out as well as deciding to eat your seed corn instead of planting--a wonderful time of plenty followed by starvation and collapse. Of course, there's a ready made solution to the problem of eating your seed corn that everyone should be happy with: dump your starved, dead body on the street and have someone else move into your home.
- stainablesteel 4y agoyou have to be able to afford to have a kid plus you might need time and a place to find a decent husband none if this simple imo, it would take either a loan or a subsidy, or someone whose family structure is fine with them living with their parents
- dennis_jeeves1 4y agoninkendo - you are either and an idiot or very young (you are can be excused for your view if you are young) . Most women work to earn a living and pay their rent,expenses and survive like everyone else. Do you understand?
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- ninkendo 4y agoFlagged. Please read the context of what I said before the unnecessary name calling. The OP was trying to cast the issue as a cultural problem, not an economic one, saying that women only work because our culture pressures them to do so (instead of, you know, economic reality.) My point is that you can’t frame this as an effect of feminism in culture, then also in the same breath say “they have no choice in the matter”. It’s not feminism’s fault that median wage isn’t even close to enough to raise a family comfortably, and that raising kids needs two incomes.
- dennis_jeeves1 4y agoThen you did not phrase it correctly. You could either say that I have to understand the entire context which is somewhat fair but not entirely. As for OP I actually get the point he is trying to make even if he did did so imperfectly. Often the cultural is mixed with the economic and others. In fact I would suspect that feminism/culture has overall had a bigger effect, probably resulting inadvertently the economic one. Woman overall today probably have a worse deal while actually they _think_ that they have a better deal. They are their own own collective worst enemies. I should add that the government has made the lives of both men and women very difficult through excessive taxation etc, so that the luxury of a single spouse working no longer exists.
- mensetmanusman 4y agoStrong cultural pressures * 2, because a man is required.