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TLDR: The concrete on the launchpad was damaged...

ggm 3y ago
...such that the regulatory authorities for all of this in space, environment, public health have all said "stop it" and Musk will have enough on his plate regaining public trust to proceed to make his rush to launch despite not having his steel plate blast system ready look even more stupid. He really wrecked goodwill, people's lungs, parked cars, local windows, and his launchpad. Super smart!
- dumpsterdiver 3y ago
  Did you just make all of that up? Prevailing opinion is literally the opposite of what you are claiming. "Still, despite Starship exploding, the launch has been mostly hailed by experts and fans as a success. Above all, it's been framed as a necessary "learning experience," in the words of former NASA official Daniel Dumbacher, speaking to The New York Times."
  - ggm 3y ago
    “The FAA is providing oversight to ensure SpaceX complies with its FAA-approved mishap investigation plan and other regulatory requirements,” a spokesperson told Quartz. “The FAA will review, and must approve, the final report before the mishap investigation can be closed.” Separately Environmental engineers and advocates are concerned the ash- and sand-like particulate matter could hurt people’s respiratory health, and could irreparably harm endangered species in the area. Separately Because they are still gathering information, the FAA and the Texas regional office of the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service were not able to answer questions yet about any environmental impacts of the Thursday launch. SpaceX did not respond to a request for comment. However, the FAA told CNBC via e-mail that the explosion activated something called an “anomaly response plan,” which is part of a 2022 Programmatic Environmental Assessment completed by the company along with state and federal agencies, and that SpaceX has additional “environmental mitigations” they must complete before launching again. The plan “was triggered by debris entering adjacent properties,” the FAA noted.
    - javagram 3y ago
      From the same source you’re quoting, two paragraphs after the quote about the anomaly response plan.[0] The Center for Biological Diversity attorney, Jared Margolis, believes the FAA requirements will be minimal and easy for the company to fulfill, but not ultimately effective in safeguarding local residents’ wellbeing and endangered species. [0] https://www.cnbc.com/2023/04/24/spacex-starship-explosion-spread-particulate-matter-for-miles.html https://www.cnbc.com/2023/04/24/spacex-starship-explosion-sp...
    - yellowapple 3y ago
      That's all pretty standard and usual, and a far cry from your assertion that he (or more accurately, SpaceX) "really wrecked" goodwill or people's lungs. (No disagreement on SpaceX having "really wrecked" their launchpad, though. They also "really wrecked" their giant rocket. It's almost as if they expected failure and wanted to collect data on the failure modes.)
- rsynnott 3y ago
  > rush to launch Was there some specific reason for the rush beyond "ha ha funny date"? _If_ they did have some sort of solution almost ready to go, seems perplexing not to wait for it.
  - abracadaniel 3y ago
    Their intended solution was to liquid cool the launch pad internally, which would require demolition and starting from scratch anyway. Since both starship and the booster were already superseded by newer designs. I don't think it was "rushed" exactly, but it was either scrap them or use them and get the flight data. It's been sitting for months and likely preventing them from moving forward, so I'm sure they were eager to take action. The damage to the rest of facility and tank farm was almost certainly not expected though.
  - proto-n 3y ago
    Originally they intended to launch a few days earlier, so I don't think the funny date held much significance in the choice
- AtlasBarfed 3y ago
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  - mrguyorama 3y ago
    Don't accuse someone of astroturfing just because they don't share your opinion about someone.
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LeanderK 3y ago
even elon musk said it would be a success if it didn't damage the launchpad. It did, it is wrecked.

ggm 3y ago

...such that the regulatory authorities for all of this in space, environment, public health have all said "stop it" and Musk will have enough on his plate regaining public trust to proceed to make his rush to launch despite not having his steel plate blast system ready look even more stupid. He really wrecked goodwill, people's lungs, parked cars, local windows, and his launchpad. Super smart!

dumpsterdiver 3y ago
Did you just make all of that up? Prevailing opinion is literally the opposite of what you are claiming. "Still, despite Starship exploding, the launch has been mostly hailed by experts and fans as a success. Above all, it's been framed as a necessary "learning experience," in the words of former NASA official Daniel Dumbacher, speaking to The New York Times."
- ggm 3y ago
  “The FAA is providing oversight to ensure SpaceX complies with its FAA-approved mishap investigation plan and other regulatory requirements,” a spokesperson told Quartz. “The FAA will review, and must approve, the final report before the mishap investigation can be closed.” Separately Environmental engineers and advocates are concerned the ash- and sand-like particulate matter could hurt people’s respiratory health, and could irreparably harm endangered species in the area. Separately Because they are still gathering information, the FAA and the Texas regional office of the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service were not able to answer questions yet about any environmental impacts of the Thursday launch. SpaceX did not respond to a request for comment. However, the FAA told CNBC via e-mail that the explosion activated something called an “anomaly response plan,” which is part of a 2022 Programmatic Environmental Assessment completed by the company along with state and federal agencies, and that SpaceX has additional “environmental mitigations” they must complete before launching again. The plan “was triggered by debris entering adjacent properties,” the FAA noted.
  - javagram 3y ago
    From the same source you’re quoting, two paragraphs after the quote about the anomaly response plan.[0] The Center for Biological Diversity attorney, Jared Margolis, believes the FAA requirements will be minimal and easy for the company to fulfill, but not ultimately effective in safeguarding local residents’ wellbeing and endangered species. [0] https://www.cnbc.com/2023/04/24/spacex-starship-explosion-spread-particulate-matter-for-miles.html https://www.cnbc.com/2023/04/24/spacex-starship-explosion-sp...
  - yellowapple 3y ago
    That's all pretty standard and usual, and a far cry from your assertion that he (or more accurately, SpaceX) "really wrecked" goodwill or people's lungs. (No disagreement on SpaceX having "really wrecked" their launchpad, though. They also "really wrecked" their giant rocket. It's almost as if they expected failure and wanted to collect data on the failure modes.)
rsynnott 3y ago
> rush to launch Was there some specific reason for the rush beyond "ha ha funny date"? _If_ they did have some sort of solution almost ready to go, seems perplexing not to wait for it.
- abracadaniel 3y ago
  Their intended solution was to liquid cool the launch pad internally, which would require demolition and starting from scratch anyway. Since both starship and the booster were already superseded by newer designs. I don't think it was "rushed" exactly, but it was either scrap them or use them and get the flight data. It's been sitting for months and likely preventing them from moving forward, so I'm sure they were eager to take action. The damage to the rest of facility and tank farm was almost certainly not expected though.
- proto-n 3y ago
  Originally they intended to launch a few days earlier, so I don't think the funny date held much significance in the choice
AtlasBarfed 3y ago
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- mrguyorama 3y ago
  Don't accuse someone of astroturfing just because they don't share your opinion about someone.
- deleted 3y ago
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LeanderK 3y ago

even elon musk said it would be a success if it didn't damage the launchpad. It did, it is wrecked.